Bill Maher Versus Ben Affleck on Islam!

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This is a segment from Bill Maher's show in which he took a stance that liberals are being politically correct about Islam rather than acknowledging that the majority of Muslims believe in the most radical parts of their faith.

Affleck responding by calling Maher a racist for condemning an entire religion.

Fascinating, fascinating segment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vln9D81eO60

A lot of you overseas are probably not aware of Maher. He is a liberal comedian who does a show on politics in America. Which makes it all the more strange that he takes this particular stance on Islam.

Thoughts? Please do watch the video first though.
 
Never cared for Maher, he is very simple in this discussion. Good vs. Bad, Stupid vs. Smart...you'd think he's working for Fox News.
 
Substitute Muslims for Christians, and there's a surprising lack of reaction.

Substitute Muslims for Christians, and there's a surprising lack of reaction.

I dissagree. Everytime someone utters a word about Christianity not being the only acceptable religion I hear 10,000 replies on social media talking about how horrible it is the media is trying to keep Christians down. Take for example when the guy Si from Duck Dynasty stated his view on gays (from a religious perspective something Christians, Jews, and Muslims agree on is wrong morally) and the company suggested they would remove him from the show, there were a million e-mails sent to the channel that carries the show demanding they not be taken off air. How do I know this? Every news channel out there was covering it. People who didn't even watch the show were pissed, and how did they know about the interview where he said it? Because the media covered it extensively. There are arguably 10-20% of the population in the US claiming Islam, and the Christian majority (about 60%) are very vocal about how much media coverage we get. The problem is that 80% (honestly a made up statistic here) of the coverage we get is negative. the remaining amount of coverage is seemingly to alleviate the burden we recieve from the general population who don't know there is a difference in the people they see doing evil things on the media and those of us who just go day to day trying to make things meet. Most people (US) think all Muslims are Arab, which is a direct sign that this is a true occurance singe 80% (real statistic) of Muslims are not Arab.
 
Substitute Muslims for Christians, and there's a surprising lack of reaction.
When Christians become opressed due to someone who is 1000s of miles away on a daily basis, we can have this argument. For now, every time someone tries to stop someone from doing something ok in Christianity, or chastises anyone for saying something ok in Christianity, the whole community gets extremely vocal and noone attacks anyone for their differences. Every time some radical wannabe Muslim does something, the Christian right is there at a local mosque 100s or 1000s of miles away demanding that the people who practice Islam to leave the area/country. Also the violence rate goes up significantly.

Point being when a person who claims to be Christian does something evil, noone goes looking for other Christians to oppress and hurt. When a Chechniyan in Boston does an evil act and claims to be Muslim, preachers and Churchgoers alike are ready to go to war with the Mosque up the street in Tennessee.

Salaam Allahikum all
 
valid point.... I think our jails contain more Christians then Muslims... but interesting enough more prisoners convert to Islam than Christianity...
 
unfortunately most prisoners aren't privy to good Islamic teachers and do not get to fully impliment before leaving. They seem to get out, forget the message and go back to doing the things Satan tells them out on the streets rather than being able to spread the truth to those who are unknowing.
 
I was under the impression that it's a fundamental - and essential - point of belief in Christianity that most everyone else is going to Hell. Heck, Jesus spoke on Hell frequently. Most secularists would consider the damnation of others to be somewhat rude and offensive, but if someone quietly believes it, is this fundamentally different from someone who loudly proclaims it?
 
I was under the impression that it's a fundamental - and essential - point of belief in Christianity that most everyone else is going to Hell.
Not my experience. But I won't try and comment on what Jesus said or didn't say.

but if someone quietly believes it, is this fundamentally different from someone who loudly proclaims it?
To me there could be many deferences, but it has more to do why they are silent/proclaiming. I've meet some that show great sorrow over that fact, something that overwhelms me feeling offended.

I will try to play devils advocate and let's see how it goes. Lets compare going to hell with dying of lung cancer after a lifetime of smoking. The disease is unfortunately a natural progression if you choose to smoke, but I wouldn't feel that anyone deserves to die of cancer. I would feel sadness if I heard someone died because of their smoking. I think frustration is a natural reaction. For some the frustration can lead to anger. But feeling a sort of justice for living and others dying of cancer, for going to a heaven and not to a hell is a special sort of person, and I suspect it has very little to do with their religion.
 
I was under the impression that it's a fundamental - and essential - point of belief in Christianity that most everyone else is going to Hell. Heck, Jesus spoke on Hell frequently. Most secularists would consider the damnation of others to be somewhat rude and offensive, but if someone quietly believes it, is this fundamentally different from someone who loudly proclaims it?

There are those that believe that in err. However, the Bible (including Torah/Talmud) and Quran agree that noone on earth knows the time of the end of days, also noone on earth knows for sure they will be in heaven or hell. There is no path to heaven except through the grace and mercy of the Almighty God (common translation in all the Abrahamic faith's texts referenences on request :) ). Jehovahs Witnesses from my understanding do not believe in a Hell, but they believe only a few thousand will be in heaven (not 100% so don't take this wrong, but I believe they put a number on it.).

Even in Islam there are people that preach the word but do not live the correct way, which is said these people are Hypocrites and will line the deapes hottest part of Hell. Neither Christians or Muslims are supposed to claim anyone is going to heaven or hell, regardless of deeds/belief/etc.

Salaam Allahikum all. And may the peace, mercy, and blessings of Allah (SWT) be upon you all.
 
BigJoeNobody said:
Take for example when the guy Si from Duck Dynasty stated his view on gays (from a religious perspective something Christians, Jews, and Muslims agree on is wrong morally)
Maybe Orthodox Judaism thinks homosexuality is morally wrong but most other branches of Judaism do not. There are openly gay rabbis. I have 3 relatives who had same sex marriages presided over by rabbis.

Not all Christian churches preach against homosexuality either. For example, The United Church of Christ calls itself an "open congregation." There website says:
Open and Affirming (ONA) is the United Church of Christ's (UCC) designation for congregations, campus ministries, and other bodies in the UCC which make a public covenant of welcome into their full life and ministry to persons of all sexual orientations, gender identities, and gender expressions.

 
Plenty of GLBT Muslims, Jews and Christians out there....always have been. In this century they can finally come out of the closet (in much of the world) without being beaten or killed.
 
I was under the impression that it's a fundamental - and essential - point of belief in Christianity that most everyone else is going to Hell.
It was pretty much de rigueur in Medieval times – that's the way people thought about things in those days – and its taken a long time to work its way out of the system. But it's alive and well, 'out and loud' in the US, it seems.

(Like the Rapture, Creationism, etc., it's nothing to do with Scripture, it's Scripture being used to validate a culture, rather than a culture aligning itself to Scripture. In it's own way it's no different from the Taliban validating itself via the Qran.)

Heck, Jesus spoke on Hell frequently.
Yes He did. It's a metaphysical necessity if one is going to assume a 'life in the spirit', 'Divine Union', 'the afterlife', on the one hand, an an autonomous nature on the other.

If there is enlightenment, then there must be there is the absence of light ...

Again, the Middle Way is the course of the true adherent in any religion, but they are mostly the silent majority, it's the fundies to the left and the right that make the most noise and fuss and bother.

In one corner, the right wing fundies are the 'Biblical heavies', banging on about hellfire and damnation, the same people who find grounds to condemn anyone who is 'not like me', the same people who are reacting against aid workers coming back from Africa, the type who would have Jesus somewhere between John Wayne and a man in a white pointy hat ...

In the other, the left-wing fundies are the Biblical Lites, banging on about self-determination, self-affirmation, self-divination, etc. Everything's cool, everything's copacetic. It's Pelagianism repackaged for a consumer market.

Most secularists would consider the damnation of others to be somewhat rude and offensive ...
Do they find the idea of 'justice' and 'consequence', 'responsibility' and 'culpability' as being rude and offensive, d'you think?

On the other hand, many secularists who have taken me to task over points of doctrine reveal that they know next to nothing about what it actually says, but rather simply have opinions and make pronouncements about what they think it says, which quite often I find somewhat rude and offensive.

but if someone quietly believes it, is this fundamentally different from someone who loudly proclaims it?
The problem is the 'weighting' of it. The emphasis is disproportionate, and the message becomes distorted, to the left or to the right, to the point it bears little resemblance to what Christ is actually saying, what His works are actually showing.

But it's inevitable. They're the ones sitting at the foot of the cross, dividing up His garments – a metaphor of some importance, because it's recorded in all four gospels.
 
Hi GK –

Personally, I think thank God for Michael Steele (6.20).

The moderate voice doesn't get heard, and the demonisation of Islam continues.

If the West spent 1% of its war budget on protecting and promoting Peace and the voice of the moderate, then we might actually be getting somewhere, but no.

Moderation doesn't make money like conflict does.

I am appalled at the degree of ignorance about other cultures that abound in these debates. One would think 'Islam' is something that's just popped up out of nowhere, that it's inherently belligerent.

If you want peace with your neighbour you have to engage in constructive dialogue, you'll never understand the causes of conflict until you do.
 
Michael Steele was our Lt Governor for a while, he moved on to head the RNC more as a token than anything and he didn't work out...

Great thinker, powerful speaker and voice...Bill Maher...sensationalist commentator trying to make a buck.

Agree all over here Thomas.... the voice of Peace in the US is stifled, by our war mongers and war machine.
 
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