What is Islam's POV on things like spiritual enlightenment for example attainment of jhana,kundalini awakening,sotapanna? Are they merely spiritual attainments that has nothing to do with the actual goal? Are there any jinn involvements? Although I think there are people who fraudulently or mistakenly claim they achieve those things , there also seem to be people who genuinely believe they attain them. One of the attractions of Vedic religions is they seem more objective and scientific imo.
Islam's POV on spiritual enlightenment etc.
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BigJoeNobody
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I'm missing something in your question I think. The goal, as with all Abrahamics, is achieving the ability to enter Heaven. Each Abrahamic has its ways into Heaven according to tradition, and all are basically the same. Do that which God has commanded, and then with his mercy to forgive your shortcomings you will be awarded Entry into Heaven.
Djinn are other free will creations of God. We don't need their help nor they ours. Satan (in the Islamic view) is one of the first Djinn created and after God created man he refused God's order to "Bow" with the Angels of whom he had become associated with due to his adherence to God's will before this. There is belief that there are good Djinn who follow the religion of God, and there are bad Djinn who are on the side of Satan.
Heaven (Janna) isn't something to be obtained on this earth, it is a place, similar to earth, but perfect without the negatives of this earth. One doesn't reach a point where they enter Janna while living. And to my knowledge no Scholar has suggested that as a possibility.
Vedic tradition is quite different. I would say it being objective is true in that there is no problem with believing anything you want, so long as the core belief is maintained. Scientifically more accurate, I find that one a very large stretch. Reincarnation, while a great thought for those who think this world has something great to offer, is scientifically a bigger stretch than saying our core elements are brought together by a breath from the creator in which we call a soul. I simply do not see anything more scientific about Vedic traditions. Although I don't really like his blatant disregard for the belief structure of religions outside of Islam, Dr Zakir Naik has spent a lot of time showing people of the Vedic traditions that their Vedas are similar to the Quran, yet the practice is vastly different due to forces outside of the Vedas, such as society.
All in all, The answer to your first question is too difficult without answering the other questions first. "Enlightenment" in Islam comes from the realization of the religion being true, most true to be exact. Upon this revelation, we change our lives to do as the creator has instructed in an attempt to enter heaven. If you want to relate it, Accepting Islam in your heart is enlightenment. Once your have been enlightened then you work as an enlightened to enter Paradise (heaven, Janna, etc.). Paradise is the Goal. Enlightenment is the path...
Salaam, and May Allah guide you to understanding.
Djinn are other free will creations of God. We don't need their help nor they ours. Satan (in the Islamic view) is one of the first Djinn created and after God created man he refused God's order to "Bow" with the Angels of whom he had become associated with due to his adherence to God's will before this. There is belief that there are good Djinn who follow the religion of God, and there are bad Djinn who are on the side of Satan.
Heaven (Janna) isn't something to be obtained on this earth, it is a place, similar to earth, but perfect without the negatives of this earth. One doesn't reach a point where they enter Janna while living. And to my knowledge no Scholar has suggested that as a possibility.
Vedic tradition is quite different. I would say it being objective is true in that there is no problem with believing anything you want, so long as the core belief is maintained. Scientifically more accurate, I find that one a very large stretch. Reincarnation, while a great thought for those who think this world has something great to offer, is scientifically a bigger stretch than saying our core elements are brought together by a breath from the creator in which we call a soul. I simply do not see anything more scientific about Vedic traditions. Although I don't really like his blatant disregard for the belief structure of religions outside of Islam, Dr Zakir Naik has spent a lot of time showing people of the Vedic traditions that their Vedas are similar to the Quran, yet the practice is vastly different due to forces outside of the Vedas, such as society.
All in all, The answer to your first question is too difficult without answering the other questions first. "Enlightenment" in Islam comes from the realization of the religion being true, most true to be exact. Upon this revelation, we change our lives to do as the creator has instructed in an attempt to enter heaven. If you want to relate it, Accepting Islam in your heart is enlightenment. Once your have been enlightened then you work as an enlightened to enter Paradise (heaven, Janna, etc.). Paradise is the Goal. Enlightenment is the path...
Salaam, and May Allah guide you to understanding.
I don't believe
that doesn't apply to Jews... And many Christians are looking to do more than the minimum...so applying this to all abrahamics isn't correct.
If that is correct in Islam...no wonder folks can lie to kids and parents and get them to commit suicide bombings and various atrocities simply by telling them they will achieve a status in an unknown location...
BigJoeNobody
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I've met many a Jews that believed in an afterlife. A heaven. (maybe not a hell)...
I don't get where you read this, are you just quickly reading so that you can disagree again? Christians are trying to get to heaven. In the end that is the ultimate goal. Some Christians go further in their actions in an attempt to better their rewards, chances, etc. Some don't. Some think Sinning is perfectly fine, because they are forgiven.
Oh I get it, you are just trying to nitpick my words in this post so you can make an argument with no grounds. Do we really have to go through all the fundamentals of Islamic belief in every thread to stop you from re posting the same ignorant junk over and over, knowing it has been covered 100x before? Or is it your genuine belief that Islam is more susceptible to killing people, and suicide than other religions. Should we discuss the Suicide rates of Christians? How about the rates of criminal (non-war) violence per capita in majority Christian countries vs majority Muslim. Or maybe we can suffice to say that anyone truly following any of the Abrahamic faiths would not be susceptible to such actions.
Lol.... I don't know any Jews with concerns of afterlife....they simply work on this liife...maybe I know the wrong Jews...
I also don't know any Christians who believe in better accommodations in heaven...
I do see a problem with the radicalized potion of Islam using the heaven carrot (and idiot Christian warmongers) to get folks to commit atrocities...
Don't you?
I also don't know any Christians who believe in better accommodations in heaven...
I do see a problem with the radicalized potion of Islam using the heaven carrot (and idiot Christian warmongers) to get folks to commit atrocities...
Don't you?
As a matter of interest –
Although the Jews tend not to speculate, it is there in the texts, the soul delivered to death, the soul brought to God ... so there is sheol, there is death and there is everlasting life, but it's all eschatological speculation really.
For Christians, 'my Father's house has many mansions', and there are interpretations of the Parable of the Sower (Matthew, Mark, Luke and Thomas) – that point in that direction: "And these are they who are sown upon the good ground, who hear the word, and receive it, and yield fruit, the one thirty, another sixty, and another a hundred ... And he said to them: Take heed what you hear. In what measure you shall mete, it shall be measured to you again, and more shall be given to you..."
Although the Jews tend not to speculate, it is there in the texts, the soul delivered to death, the soul brought to God ... so there is sheol, there is death and there is everlasting life, but it's all eschatological speculation really.
For Christians, 'my Father's house has many mansions', and there are interpretations of the Parable of the Sower (Matthew, Mark, Luke and Thomas) – that point in that direction: "And these are they who are sown upon the good ground, who hear the word, and receive it, and yield fruit, the one thirty, another sixty, and another a hundred ... And he said to them: Take heed what you hear. In what measure you shall mete, it shall be measured to you again, and more shall be given to you..."
BigJoeNobody
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No I see a much bigger problem with "radicalized" people not fearing Hellfire. Nor following the law of Allah or the Sunnah of the Prophet(s) (PBUTA). Why must you look at heaven as the carrot, not Shaytan's (Satan, Lucifer, Devil, etc.) whispers being the carrot? If we are going to discuss this, I think you need a larger lesson on Islamic belief because trying to understand Islam through the eye of an Atheistic Biblicist (yes I made that up as I do not know really what to refer to your belief structure as) is going to be problematic. (I could say the same from a Christian standpoint as well, but that is not for me to argue.) To give your analysis credence one must assume Muslims only seek Janna for a reward, but you have greatly missed the whole picture. We seek Janna as both a reward and an escape from Jahannam. In our belief Allah is not holding a treat trying to lure us in, as your comment suggests, but rather he has a door with a passcode you must earn in this life to avoid eternal Torture, of which nothing on this Earth can compare (if you can understand the metaphor). The one holding the proverbial carrot, would be the deciever, Shaytan, in his attempt to make you stray from the straight and true, by making a evil deed look good. This stems from misinformation and under education. A true Muslim would be wary of every move made in anger or revenge. Because we are the most vulnerable in that time. When we are angry, our anger can allow us to do things without thinking it through, so we must always be mindful of the entire message. This is one of the reasons why we learn and recite the Quranic Surahs daily. Why 1 time a year many recite or listen to the entire Quran over the course of a month. Why we do not allow someone with only a 2 (or 4 for that matter) yr degree to lead us without question.
Almost like they needed another Prophet to explain it further?
Sorry, had to... especially since the Christian and Islamic standpoint tends to say they weren't fully informed yet, and that Jesus (PBUH) fulfilled that law. Islam goes one step further to describe how all of it is applied to everyday life, without the need to manipulate texts and pick and choose from the old law and those laws which abrogated them.From Buddhist POV, kundalini is a technique, jhana is a state, sotapanna is a stage, towards enlightenment. Enlightenment is separation of pure consciousness from the shackles of lower stuff.
Inside Islam, Sufis have a long and detailed curriculumn towards that goal called enlightenment. But enlightenment is considered a good milestone in Sufism, not exactly the end result. The end result is complete alignment of man's will and God's will, and much more beyond that.
Jinns are not necessarily involved, thats more like a sidetrack, equivalent of siddhi stuff.
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I am talking about jhana in my first post not jannah.There is a difference . Just pointing that out.
I am talking about jhana in my first post not jannah.There is a difference . Just pointing that out.
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