The mirror

There is a concept that what we dislike in others is often a trait within ourselves that we dislike when it wells up and comes to the surface.

I see that often in visitors here and wonder while we think they came to try to elevate themselves (as prophets, authors, knowers of truth, to proselytize etc) but maybe they came to elevate us!?! By identifying our buttons, issues, and willingness to listen, understand, and realize we all have value?

Side note, I thought I had brought up the mirror before but in searching found not that but this, enjoy.

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(Discussion in ‘Belief and Spirituality‘ started by wilOct 17, 2021)

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Extended Holy Family

The Gospels, Acts, and some of the Epistles mention Jesus’ extended family.

There was of course Mary, his mother. Joseph, his (step-)father.

James the Just is mentioned as a brother of Jesus.

John the Baptist, his cousin.

Who else is there? More uncles and aunts and cousins?

Are the “Sons of Thunder” related to him, cousins?

How about Jude, the author of the epistle of the same name? He identifies himself as the Brother of James.

(Not primarily interested in any “Davinci Code” type speculations, rather, what is known, what do the Christian members of the forum know?)

 

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The Holy Guardian Angels

Today is the Catholic feast of the Holy Guardian Angels.

The Universalis app says:
“The doctrine that every individual has a guardian angel has never been defined by the Church and so is not an article of faith but is the “mind of the Church” as expressed particularly by St Jerome and St Basil. It is present in both the Old and New Testaments.

As Jesus says: See that you never despise any of these little ones, for I tell you their angels in heaven always gaze upon the face of my Father in heaven.

Thus even little children have guardian angels, and these angels remain in the presence of God even as they fulfil their mission on earth.

Anciently all angels were celebrated together on the feast of St Michael. A separate feast of the Guardian Angels began in Valencia in 1411. At the reform of the Breviary in the 16th century it was included among the local feasts, and it was raised to the status of a feast in the General Calendar in 1608, placed on the first free day after the feasts of saints Michael, Gabriel and Raphael.

One of the benefits of this feast is that it reminds us that God cares for us each individually. We all know this in theory, but it is easy – in times of depression or temptation – to convince ourselves that we are too small to matter, for good or ill.

Let us use this feast to remind ourselves that each of us has an angel of our very own looking after us; and also to pray to God for our own Guardian Angel.”

The reading at mass is from the Book of Exodus 23:20-22

The Lord says this: “I myself will send an angel before you to guard you as you go and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Give him reverence and listen to all that he says. Offer him no defiance, he would not pardon such a fault, for my name is in him. If you listen carefully to his voice and do all that I say, I shall be enemy to your enemies, foe to your foes. My angel will go before you.”

I find it inspiring …

 

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Muslims are Christian???

muhammad_isa said: 

Again, as the majority of people see Muslims as “non-Christians”, I am not particularly welcome in this section.

Interesting…so are you indicating that Muslims see themselves as Christian? (Believing Christ is G!d/Allah?

This counters my understanding of what i often hear. “We are all Muslim, most just don’t know it yet.”

I thought a main belief of Islam is that they honor Jesus specifically not as Allah, but as a prophet, a Jewish prophet along with the rest…and Muhammad (pbuh) is the last and supercedes the rest (as far as changes to laws and understandings go)

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Did Jesus Die On The Cross?

The death on the cross is central to most Christian belief.

Mark’s Gospel states:
At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

When some of those standing near heard this, they said, “Listen, he’s calling Elijah.”

Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to take him down,” he said.

With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.

The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how he died, he said, “Surely this man was the Son of God!”

Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph, and Salome. In Galilee these women had followed him and cared for his needs. Many other women who had come up with him to Jerusalem were also there.

It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body. Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died. When he learned from the centurion that it was so, he gave the body to Joseph.
Mark 15:33-45

John’s gospel states:
Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
John 19: 28-35

Both Matthew and Luke basically repeat the account given in Mark’s gospel, which is believed to be the first of the three synoptic gospels:
Matthew 27:45-61
Luke 23:44-54

The Quran states:
“and as for their saying “we slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God” – yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them.

Those who are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him: they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they slew him not of a certainty – no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is All-mighty, All-wise.”
(4: 156 – The Quran Interpreted – Translated by Arthur J. Arberry)

It would appear that a person has to choose between either the Gospels or the Quran on the issue? Is there a convincing reason to choose one account over the other? Is there a middle ground?

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Music to my ears

I grabbed this from a comment I read in an Amazon review. I think English is not the first language (apologies if wrong) I have edited slightly, but not changed the substance:

“I perceive some troubles in his (the author’s) understanding of Tantric concepts … inevitably clouded by its own paradigmatic and patriarchal religious comprehensions of reality: the idea that ‘images’ and ‘imagination’ (and the alam al mithal), are illusions that ought to be transcended, echoes the same sick and unbalanced concepts that forget that, after all, we are here and we are alive – concepts that are a consequence of a patriarchal view of reality and nature, a view that has dominated most of the religions both in east and west … ”

And here we go:

“… the feminine and matriarchal perceptions did not view matter and images as impediments, only as one of the infinite facets of existence … to accept that we are alive and that the realm of forms and matter (that resemble directly the world of similitudes) is a part of, and inseparable from, reality; it is precisely the idea of separation from the whole that leads us to believe that our narrow perceptions of reality to be the absolute truth.

This led me to a look at alam al mithal

The doctrine of a “Realm of Images” (‘Alam al-Mithal‘) is a specific product of Medieval Muslim mysticism.

It must be said at the outset that the word mithal (pl. muthul), “a likeness”, is also sometimes applied to Platonic Ideas but the two uses are quite different.

Muslim philosophers, especially Ibn Sina (d. 1037, in the West Avicenna), emphasised the imaging function of imagination in the Prophetic Revelation.

The human soul, provided it is pure and strong enough, can contact the unseen world in waking life as well as in dreams, all that is required is a withdrawal of the soul from the tumult of sensory life. A Greek doctrine clearly stated by Plutarch.

In dreams, spiritual truth is conveyed by the imagination is its role as translator, in this case into sensible images and symbols, so in waking life when the Prophet receives spiritual Revelation, it becomes clothed in the form of images and figures.

According to Ibn Sina, just as dreams require interpretation (ta’bir: “carrying across to the other side of a river”), so Revelation requires, in varying degrees, a symbolic interpretation (ta’wil: “carrying back to the source or the initial point”).

More to follow … this from Dream, imagination and ‘alam al-mithal, by Fazlur Rahman, on jstor.

(Thomas 6/09/2021)

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Matrixism – A religion based on The Matrix

By now, people should be aware of the discussions in Physics about whether the world is a simulation or not.

How many have studied the many accounts of the Near Death Experiences?

How many have thought about “Paradise” in the Bible? How it is a timeless situation?

How many have considered that the greater reality and truth involves the timeless and eternity?

Have you thought about these issues?

Have you looked at Einstein’s statements about time and matter? Others since?
Before posting judgements on this issue..?

The Wachowski’s presented a cinematic illustration of Truth to the world.
In the same year the work of physicist Julian Barbour was also released, titled, “The End of Time”.

Check it out. This book needs to be listed with the other cited works concerning “Matrixism”.

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Garments of Skins (Genesis 3:21)

“And the Lord God made for Adam and his wife, garments of skins, and clothed them”
Genesis 3:21

In the previous chapter, we read: “And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed” (2:25). This is the last verse of Chapter 2.

The opening verse of Chapter 3 – the very next verse on the scroll – introduces the serpent:
“Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made…

The Hebrew term for naked in 2:25 is arom.
The Hebrew term for subtle in 3:1 is arum.

In fact the terms for ‘naked’ and ‘subtle’ derive from the Hebrew root aram: ‘to make bare, to be subtle, crafty or cunning’.

Arom is contranym (a word that is its own opposite – an English example is ‘cleave’, which can mean to cling to, or to separate; ‘dust’, which can mean remove dust from, or apply dust to).

There are both Jewish and Christian sources that hold that before the fall, Adam and Eve were clothed in light. This became intermingled with Hellenic speculation to say that the Primordial Pair were creatures of light only, purely spiritual beings, rather than creatures of spirit and matter, this despite the clear indication to the contrary, and this despite the union of spirit and matter was seen by God to be the finishing act of creation, the act that was not simply good, as were the works of the five previous days.

Even Origen, who taught himself Hebrew (one of a very few Fathers to do so), held that the soul was enfleshed to arrest its fall – based on Platonic thinking.

Hebrew is a mythopoeic language, very idiomatic, metaphoric, and figurative. Contranyms, homonyms (sound alike words), a range of literary forms and devices are used to help explain spiritual concepts. Hebrew speaks to the senses whereas the Hellenic appeals to the intellect.

Note: Hebrew is neither deficient in intellectual rigour nor lacking in spiritual insight, to assume that is to make a gross mistake. Rather, the Hebrew mindset knows “a picture is worth a thousand words” and if I labour this point, it is for two reasons:
1: Christianity lost touch with its Hebrew roots and this was a great loss;
2: The modern tendency to read ‘esoteric’ meaning into Hebrew texts, based on an Hellenic mindset, leads to error, rather than enlightenment.

In this case, it is neither coincidence nor chance that the Hebrew word for light and the word for skin sound the same: ohr:

אוֹר Light (aleph)

עוֹר Skin (ahyin)

The only difference is the first letter (reading from right to left). Light begins with aleph, a letter heavily associated with God, and skin begins with ahyin, the letter that also means ‘eye’.
Both aleph and ahyin are silent letters. They have no sound aside from the vowel associated with them.

In our words above, the vowel is shown by the letter vav with the dot on top, which is called a cholem vav. The last letter is a resh, an “r” sound that pictographically means “a man’s head.”

By simply looking at the pictographic meaning of these words, both have a heart that connects. Vav means ‘to link, connect, or hook together’. It is also the number 6, the creation day for both beast and man. In the verses above in Genesis, the text presents us with a beast (snake) that speaks like a man.

The other Hebrew letters for each word reveals what light and skin connects or links one with. In the case of light, the head (resh) is connected to God (aleph), the Father. But in the case of skin, the head (resh) is connected to only what one’s eyes (ahyin) can see (flesh/natural).

“Rabbinic insight is that the clothing of Adam and Eve was glory, or radiance … The white light is the same covering of the Bride of Messiah in Revelation. The Bride reflects the Lamp of the New Jerusalem, the Lamb. In terms of the menorah, there was a spiritual covering over the first couple’s earthly bodies, a covering or radiance pictured when Moses spoke with Adonai on the mountain, receiving the Torah covenant for Israel. Like the Holy One in whose image they were made, they had corresponding covers of light like garments.” (Dr. Alewine in The Creation Gospel Workbook Four: The Scarlet Harlot and the Crimson Thread, p. 175).

Again, this light is of great significance to the Essenes, it figures in the Transfiguration of Christ, and is used in the Johannine writings.

“The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (3:4-5)

The serpent implies that Adam and Eve are ‘blind’ in some way. They were (outwardly, or physically or materially) naked but had no shame, because they saw with ‘spiritual eyes’ that looked beyond the surface to the truth and hearty of things, they saw with understanding and insight in the light of Elohim.

This was the serpent’s deception, a minor truth to cover the greater lie.

The eyes of them both were opened to the material world because they lost that spiritual luminescence, that insight. They saw only the surface of things, they saw themselves as separate, as other, as distinct, as naked … and felt shame, and hid.

In their disobedience, they forfeited the Light, the Grace of God.

More to be uncovered here

(Posted by Thomas August 23 2021)

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