The Qumran Paradigm

Taken from an essay available online here. And I note that the proposer of the Groningen Hypothesis has subsequently agreed that the situation, and the question of who are the Essenes, is more clouded than ever.

A ‘Qumran Community’?

The popular understanding of the Qumran Community – an all-male celibate collective, an ideologically, socially and religiously extreme minority group (or sect), possibly (related to) the Essenes, who had segregated themselves and were awaiting the eschaton, believing themselves to be the chosen ones.

This was established very early, and depends on the available evidence (a few early finds), comments in Josephus, but also on the presuppositions of the early researchers – this was the era when the finds were kept under close scrutiny by the Vatican, and there appeared a number of claims that the finds would bring down the Catholic Church, etc.

Nearly ever assumption of the first 20 years has been dismissed or at least notably nuanced by subsequent finds and scholarship.

Current ideas allow for a single community residing at Qumran, to that of manuscripts reflecting more than one community and which were not all written at or in the immediate environs of Qumran. Scholars have developed several models to explain ‘Qumran’ of which three hypotheses about the origins of the Scrolls and their preservers seem to be considered most viable within the field. (There is a fourth ‘Sadducean origin’ hypothesis, which has engendered the least academic support.)

1. The Essene Hypothesis

2. The Groningen Hypothesis

3. The Multi-Community (Essene) Hypothesis

The Essene Hypothesis

Based on the idea that the Rule of the Community was “a kind of book of regulations for the conduct of members of a brotherhood or sect”.

Scholars made the link between ‘the rule’ and classical sources about the Essenes. It was assumed the entirety of manuscripts that formed the Dead Sea Scrolls were the main library of an Essene community, a sectarian group which resided “on the western side of the Dead Sea, in the vicinity of En-Gedi”.

The identification of the Qumran group with the Essenes primarily rests on what Josephus, Pliny the Elder and Philo’s mentions of them. Various scholars have raised critical questions regarding such straightforward identification of Qumran as Essene. Some argue ‘an unknown Jewish Sect’ – Qumran halakha has many similarities with Sadducean halakha.

In particular, Josephus’ account of the Essenes is “thoroughly Josephan, part of the historian’s rhetorical and apologetic presentation of Judaism”. In a comparison of the historical sources, others note that as well as similarities, the ancient reports are not entirely congruous with the Qumran texts. Hence a straightforward identification of the ‘Qumran Community’ with the Essene Movement is not without valid challenges – the evidence of women buried in the cemetery; a latrine inside the Qumran walls is problematic. Notably, the word ‘Essene’ does not occur in the Scrolls.

Many scholars are convinced that the original ‘Essene Hypothesis’ can – in its strict sense – no longer be maintained.

The Groningen Hypothesis

Due to unease with the univocal identification of the Qumranites as Essene, some scholars developed modified or new views of the ‘Qumran Community’ in its pluralistic environment. That the Essene movement was the ‘parent movement’ to the ‘Qumran sect’, while others have argued that the ‘Qumran sect’ gradually parted from the Essene Movement and developed an ideology of its own.

The ‘Groningen Hypothesis’ is a coherent attempt to relate apparently contradictory data in the DSS. Five basic propositions characterise this approach:

1. A clear distinction must be made between the origins of the Essene movement and the origins of the Qumran Community.

2. The origins of the Essene movement lay within the Palestinian apocalyptic tradition (late third-early second century BCE).

3. The Qumran movement originates from a split-off from the larger Essene movement over the teachings of the Teacher of Righteousness. Those who were loyal to the Teacher eventually established themselves at Qumran.

4. The ‘Wicked Priest’ is a collective term and points to the sequence of Hasmonean high priests in a chronological order.

This way, the formative period of the community is placed within a larger perspective, which takes “ideological development, halakhic elements and political conflicts” into account to reconstruct the community’s split and subsequent settlement at Qumran.

The Hypothesis also attempts to explain the dissimilarities between certain core manuscripts, i.e. the Damascus Document (CD/DD) and the Community Rule (1QS). Moreover, it sketches possible reasons behind the community’s retreat into the wilderness and provides a model of identity.

Another version of the off-shoot theory is that the Essene movement is ‘Enochic Judaism’ and sees the Qumran community as a radical split-off group from that movement.

The Groningen Hypothesis holds that the ‘Qumran community’ originated from a discordant ‘split-off’ from its Essene parent movement. The basis of a ‘split off’ theory lies in the presupposition that in 1QS and CD/DD different ‘sectarian’ groups are addressed by scholars and there are no simple solutions – Although generally it can be said that both the Essenes and the Qumran Sect are thought to stem from the Palestinian Apocalyptic Tradition.

It is therefore not surprising that recent scholarship has moved towards more complex theories of assembly.

The Multi-Community (Essene) Hypothesis

Due to the publication of the Scrolls since 1991, scholars have developed new theories regarding the identity of the group(s) reflected in the Qumran texts. One proposal is that a larger, more complex movement in which small local groups together form a larger organisation – “an organisation of autonomous, democratic communities with no definite leader alongside community or communities lived in camps and were ruled by authoritative leaders.

Accordingly, the Qumran was a collective of small, local communities, loosely organised by one central governing power, the Many (haRabbim).

More than one scholar puts forward the thesis of small assemblies within a larger umbrella organization”.

The Damascus Document provides for “camps” whose members marry and have children, but also for “men of perfect holiness”, with whom these are in contrast. The Community Rule describes a yahad, which is not a single settlement but an “umbrella union” … But the Community Rule also describes an elite group,set apart within the yahad, which goes into the wilderness to prepare the way of the Lord.

Finally, the Rule of the Congregation looks to a time in which “all Israel” will follow the regulations of the sect, but still assigns special authority and status to the “council of the community” in the future age.”

Thus an understanding of relationship between groups rather than the “split-off” theory held by the Hypothesis.

Here we have a notion of two orders of Essenes who represented different options within the sect, but are not dissenting factions. An idea not without opponents.

In contradistinction to the satellite proposals of Regev, Collins, Metso and Schofield, Charlotte Hempel has argued that “some of the primitive and small-scale communal scenarios […..] reflect the life of the forebears of the yahad”. Supporters of this thesis argue against an umbrella framework or a central organisation. Rather, the differing traditions are chronological, the texts showing a development of ideas.

Instead of a central organisation and small-scale “communal scenarios”, there are communities who are the forebears of the later yahad, who do not (yet) seem to have separated themselves from others – An emerging community that is more focused on cultic and priestly ideology, but which nonetheless only holds a moderate dissident perspective.

Recent archaeological studies that focus on the Qumran site have discovered same-type pottery between Qumran and the Hasmonean and Herodian palaces in Jericho. Other archaeological studies have suggested an agricultural, secular function of Qumran – after being abandoned as a Hasmonean fortress, Qumran functioned as a regional agricultural trading estate.

These archaeological stud0ies provide evidence that Qumran was “an integral part of the regional economy”.

With emerging evidence demanding the need to re-examine hypotheses and assumptions, what we can say is that “the more archaeological material becomes available, the less unique and isolated Qumran becomes”.

Thomas 13/09/2023

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It is not for us to question G!d’s intent, but…

It is not for us to question G!d’s intent, or plans if you will. But to better understand what makes Him tick, I think He actually enjoys letting a genuine seeker sneak a peek behind the curtain from time to time.

In other words, it is not my place to tell G!d He is wrong, that things should be different. It is acceptable to try to understand why things are the way they are.



I posted this awhile back and RabbiO mentioned a Midrash. Rather than let this be forgotten, I would like to post this here in the hope he will be more comfortable to reply.

I look forward to @RabbiO expanding on this subject, please sir.

juantoo3 Aug 11, 2023

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Injustice, Anger and Forgiveness.

So much injustice happens in this world, that never seems to be put right. This can lead to anger, but anger is like picking up a burning coal, with the intention of throwing it at the person who angers us, but the person who gets burnt the most is me. Often, we don’t get the chance to throw the burning coal of anger, we hold onto it, the anger becomes hotter and hotter, and it eats away inside our soul.

Should we forgive, should we try and let go of the pain of injustice, are there conditions to forgiveness?
Is forgiving part of a healing process?
If we forgive, who benefits the most?
Should we forgive, if someone is not repentant?
Are there different levels to forgiveness? Is there a difference forgiving someone who has stolen £10, or someone who is responsible for the death of a child?

EricPH 14/09/2023

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The Mystery of God’s Will Unfolding in this Matrix 2

I restarted the OP as I have come to terms with my own error in the first OP.  I see I started a conversation about the Light of God in a very negative and not a positive way.

The dawn of a new day brings the rising of the sun in stages and many positive things happen with this event, after all, the Light that is arising brings forth life, heat, growth. The negative, that is, the lack of the light of the Sun is what eventually unfolds in death and decay, it is not connected to the growth.

I have offered these thoughts recently, but these thoughts should have introduced this topic.

Prior to the dawn of a new day, signs of the sun about to rise commence in this material world. There are those thay are up before the first signs of light can be seen, then more arise and see the dawn of the light. The birds start to sing as the rays of the sun penetrate the darkness of the night. Much metephor can be offered.

There has always been signs leading up to the declaration of a Prophet Messenger, one is signs in the heavens, a star that guides the way. This is recorded in the Holy Books.

In this version of the OP, it is seemingly unrelated events that herald the light that I will introduce for consideration as viable signs we could look for.

I will state some events that would support the OP subject, that can be further discussed.

The 1843 Comet.

The 1844 Declaration of the Bab.

The 1844 prediction of Christs return by William Miller in America.

The 1844 Telegraph Message of “What has God Wrought” the day after the Bab’s declaration, sent in America.

The 1844 ‘Adict of Toleration’ which opened the door for the return of the Jews to the Holy Land.

The 1845 return of Biela’s Comet and the dramatic split of the comet into two tails, One being brighter than the other.

Link to a discussion on this comet.

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This is worth a read, as this OP is introducing the possibility of Twin Messengers.

There is much to discuss. Please join in if you are interested in exploring this aspect of faith. It can discuss events that have heralded all the Prophets and Messengers.

Regards Tony

Tony Bristow-Stagg 12/09/2023

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The Second Coming of Christ 1945 – a new interpretation

Greetings brothers and sisters,

Please consider the spiritual message of this YouTube video offering a new interpretation of the Second Coming of Christ, based on events of the mid-twentieth century.  I would be very interested any comments you may have.

In peace,

Autogenes

The Second Coming of Christ 1945

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I created this video to convey an idea I once had about the Second Coming of Christ, based on the synchronicity of three events:

–  The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945

–  The discovery of the Nag Hammadi Library in December 1945

–  The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the winter if 1946-47.

In this interpretation, the manuscript discoveries are not accidents but spiritual events, whereby Jesus reveals himself and his lost teachings at Nag Hammadi, and the lost roots of Christianity at Qumran.

The interpretation is based on Matthew 24: 27-28:

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, 

and shineth even unto the west; 

so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For wheresoever the carcass is, 

there will the eagles be gathered together.

Autogenes 9/09/2023

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Priest as an Angel in Malachi

No doubt Thomas read the text in context – the prophet is speaking out against false priests (Malachi 2:1), and the true priest:

 “The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me (The Lord) in peace, and in equity, and turned many away from iniquity. For the lips of the priest shall keep knowledge, and they (the people) shall seek the law at his mouth: because he is the angel of the Lord of hosts.”

Angel is the sense that he fulfils the angelic function of messenger, as do prophets, as ministers of God, and mouthpieces for, in this instance, to the Angel of the Law.

In my opinion this position that the “angel is the sense that he [the priest] fulfills the angelic function of the messenger” is an inadequate explanation for the following reasons:

-The Hebrew text can be read to mean the priest is an angel of the Lord

-Jubilees 31 takes it in such a sense

-A separation between being and action appears to be absent from Jewish thought during that time

-Entering the inner sanctuary and being closer to God implies an ontological difference

-In relation to this idea of angelic priests, Philo and others read Lev. 16.17 to mean the priest is angelic

And, as always, I am happy to share my source. See Crispin H. T. Fletcher-Louis’ All the Glory of Adam.

“One of the most important biblical texts which gave canonical authority to the belief in an angelomorphic priesthood is Malachi 2:5-7 which says of Levi:

My covenant with him was a covenant of life and peace, which I gave him; this called for reverence, and he revered me and stood in awe of my name. True instruction was in his mouth, and no wrong was found on his lips. He walked with me in integrity and uprightness, and he turned many from iniquity. For the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and people should seek from his mouth, for he is an angel of the LORD of hosts.

Although English translations usually give the last expression of verse 7 a purely functional translation (the messenger of the LORD) the Hebrew can be taken to mean that the priest is an angel of the LORD of hosts. This reading is consistent with the emphasis in the preceding verses on the true priest’s own character, personal integrity and physical proximity to God which implies more than simply his functional role as God’s messenger. This text was widely interpreted in priestly circles to mean that the priest has an ontological identity akin to that of a (suprahuman) angel [see Jubilees 31, the DSS, and Lev. Rab. 21:12]. The designation of the priest as מַלְאַךְ is attested in the near contemporary Ecclesiastes 5:5 (LXX 5:6), where the different versions attest the fluidity of interpretation such language allows . . .

The importance of Malachi 2 for the development of a belief in an angelomorphic priesthood can be clearly seen in Jubilees 31:

And he [Isaac] turned to Levi first and began to bless him first, and he said to him: ‘May the Lord of all, i.e. the Lord of all ages, bless you and your sons in all ages.

May the Lord give you and your seed very great g/Glory. May he make you and your seed near to him from all flesh to serve in his sanctuary as the angels of the presence and the holy ones. May your sons’ seed be like them with respect to g/Glory and greatness and sanctification. May he make them great in every age.

And they will become judges and rules and leaders of all of the seed of the sons of Jacob. 

The word of the Lord they will speak righteously, 

and all his judgements they will execute righteously. 

And they will tell my ways to Jacob, 

and my paths to Israel. 

The blessing of the Lord shall be in their mouth,

so that they might bless all of the seed of the beloved.

(As for) you, your mother has named you ‘Levi’,

and truly she has named you.

You will be joined to the Lord 

and be the companion of all the sons of Jacob.

His table will belong to you,

and you and your sons will eat (from) it,

and in all generations your table will be full, 

and your food will not be lacking in any age.

And all who hate you will fall before you,

and all your enemies will be uprooted and perish,

and whoever blesses you will be blessed,

and any nation which curses you will be cursed.

This is the first half of a two part blessing upon Levi and Judah (31:11-17 and 18-20) in which the former is obviously superior to the latter. Isaac’s blessing of his two grandsons is deliberately modelled on the blessing of Ephraim and Manasseh in Genesis 48 as James VanderKam has shown. Just as Ephraim was made pre-eminent over Manasseh so here, in Jubilees 31, Levi is superior to Judah.

The patriarchal blessing is also one of four episodes collected in chapters 30-32 of Jubilees which explain and justify how Levi was appointed to the priesthood. This particular passage is therefore reflective of the author’s attempt to give greater authority to the Levitical priesthood than scripture, which focuses on Aaron, allows. Biblically, the closest parallel to this elevation of Levi is Malachi 2, which claims a ‘covenant’ with Levi. It is not, therefore, surprising that Malachi 2:5-7 should have exerted some influence on the Jubilees text . . .

There are those who have been unwilling to see here anything more than a parallelism of action between the human priesthood and the angels. In the previous chapter, one of the angels of the presence says ‘the seed of Levi was chosen for the priesthood and Levitical (orders) to minister before the Lord just as we do’ (31:18). So clearly the priests’ action in their ministry is central to their comparison with angels. However, other considerations suggest that the author of Jubilees was not really aware of any distinction between being and action. Levi and his seed are separated ‘from all flesh’ to serve God in his sanctuary. This should probably not be taken as purely idiomatic. Judging by the use of this phrase in Sirach 45:4 and several other Dead Sea Scrolls (see below) it means a real ontological transfer from one realm of being to the other. The new realm of being characterized, in particular, by ‘glory’ (‘and greatness of sanctification’) as it was for Moses (Sirach 45:2a, 3bd). The nature of this glory, whether narrowly anthropological (honour, fame) or overtly theological (Glory), is not stated. Near contemporary texts, such as Sirach 50, which we shall discuss later, suggest that since God is the giver of the glory it is his own and that this is one example of the belief that the priesthood somehow embodies God’s own Glory.

Within the Jewish temple graded space marks out qualitatively different spheres of reality. The inner sanctuary utterly transcends the reality of the outer courts. That Levi is brought near to God thus means a spatial relocation which, in turn, implies an ontological one.

The extent of the influence of such ideas upon the theology of priesthood was widespread. Philo and the rabbis share a tradition in which Leviticus 16:17 (‘no man shall be in the tent of meeting from the time he (the high priest) enters . . .’) is taken to mean that the high priest is not a man, but is angelic . . . Although, as we shall see, the belief in an angelic priesthood is particularly dear to mystical and apocalyptic circles exemplified by the Qumran community, the theology was shared far beyond such communities. So, for example, it is clearly presumed in the Letter of Aristeas, a propagandist work which shows little interest in matters apocolyptic, but for whom the high priest is a thoroughly otherworldly figure. In the letter’s account of the Jewish temple and its service the sight of the high priest ‘makes one awestruck and dumbfounded’ and gives the impression that ‘one had come into the presence of a man who belonged to a different world (99).”

Ahanu Aug 28, 2023

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The Mystery of God’s Will Unfolding in this Matrix

The concept that God is unknowable, Almighty, beyond our understanding and comprehensive capacity is embraced by many people of many Faiths.

The concept that God sends Messengers to impart His Will to humanity has been a concept that has been given from around the AD 622 with the Message given by Muhammad in the Quran.

Observation of the God given Message indicates to us that God does not compel us to embrace the given Messengers, that it is a choice we get to make. Also using logic and reason we can also see how the given Message unfolds over time, and how the warnings given in those Messages also become manifest over time and become and undisputed proof to those that embrace the Messengers.

I offer an Example of this process from what Baha’u’llah offered to Pope Pius IX in the mid 1800’s.

The Monks were addressed by God in this Message as follows.

“….Say: O concourse of monks! Seclude not yourselves in your churches and cloisters. Come ye out of them by My leave, and busy, then, yourselves with what will profit you and others. Thus commandeth you He Who is the Lord of the Day of Reckoning. Seclude yourselves in the stronghold of My love. This, truly, is the seclusion that befitteth you, could ye but know it. He that secludeth himself in his house is indeed as one dead. It behoveth man to show forth that which will benefit mankind. He that bringeth forth no fruit is fit for the fire. Thus admonisheth you your Lord; He, verily, is the Mighty, the Bountiful. Enter ye into wedlock, that after you another may arise in your stead. We, verily, have forbidden you lechery, and not that which is conducive to fidelity. Have ye clung unto the promptings of your nature, and cast behind your backs the statutes of God? Fear ye God, and be not of the foolish. But for man, who, on My earth, would remember Me, and how could My attributes and My names be revealed? Reflect, and be not of them that have shut themselves out as by a veil from Him, and were of those that are fast asleep. He that married not could find no place wherein to abide, nor where to lay His head, by reason of what the hands of the treacherous had wrought. His holiness consisted not in the things ye have believed and imagined, but rather in the things which belong unto Us. Ask, that ye may be made aware of His station which hath been exalted above the vain imaginings of all the peoples of the earth. Blessed are they that understand….”

This is given without compulsion, every Monk can read this and accept if it is from God or it is not. Yet now it is recorded, God knows all and this was not embraced by the Monks.

Fast forward and hindsight is now our most logical tool. We can ask how wise those commands were when we look at the controversy that has plagued the Church over the last 40 or so years. All could have been different, the Monks could have married.

This is but one example. There are many.

Regards Tony

Tony Bristow-Stagg 31/08/2023

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Your religious/spiritual journey

Hey all. One thing I like about this forum is how incredibly diverse the religious opinions/beliefs are here. I’m curious to know how you would describe your religious journey, or how you came to believe the things you do now? What do you believe and why? Have your beliefs changed often, or stayed pretty stable?

I’ll go first. I think I mentioned this somewhere else on the forums, but I was raised irreligious. I’ve always had a keen interest in the supernatural, though, from a very young age. I was obsessed with ghosts as a child, dabbled in Wicca as a preteen, and created my own religion at 12 (which is a source of eternal embarrassment haha). In my teens I become convinced of monotheism, and I eventually converted to Christianity and was baptized in my early twenties. I was generic Protestant at first, then Anglo-Catholic, and then intensely Catholic. I should note that I can’t properly call myself an ex-Catholic because I was never officially received into the Church.

However, while I was waiting to do so, I prayed the rosary every day (I was even part of the Confraternity), went to mass diligently, read the saints and had a fervent devotion to them, prayed chaplets galore, believed the Church had the fullness of salvation, was the one and only church of Jesus Christ, etc. etc. My entire social circle was Catholic, as was my ex-fiancé. So I feel comfortable calling myself an “ex believer in Catholicism”. I ended up having a mental breakdown due to scrupulosity and dropped out of RCIA. I respect Catholicism, but traditional Catholicism definitely gave me religious trauma (no disrespect to any Catholics here!). Anyways, since then, I’ve been on the search for a new faith. Beyond the older Abrahamic religions, I’ve tried Baha’i, Eckankar, Tenrikyo. All are interesting, but none seem like the truth I’m looking for.

I’d love to hear about your journey!

Modesty Jul 31, 2023

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John’s Gospel

This is the first verse I have heard quoted
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

However, I was shown the JW’s version(NWT) and it says
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.


Is the NWT saying that the Word is minor to God?

Craz 30/07/2023

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Question about the name of God

The copy of the New Testament that I have sometimes used is printed by The Society for distributing the Hebrew Scriptures.
It is written both in English and Hebrew.
Up until today I have only read the English, however I was viewing some discussions about using one of God’s names(YHVH) and decided to look at the Hebrew version of the NT.
I opened I randomly on several pages and found that Elohim was used and couldn’t find any use of YHVH.
Are there any reasons why this is so? (I’m curious)
or
Did I miss something?

Craz Yesterday at 10:37 PM

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