Bhaktajan II
Hare Krishna Yogi
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I invite anyone to pick a topic, from below, or in contrast to a topic below, to discuss:
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Absolute-ness means "A" is differs from "B" there is A & B plus many other letters.
Each is absolutely different from the other --'spell-check' proves that.
The letters are place on a blank Sheet. The word is written by a person for a person.
On one hand I, subjectively, can surrender to whom ever I choose and do whateverI can or manage to do and garner as much as possible for my own benefit ---in all circumstances.
OTOH, there is the Concept of Absolute. Absolute reality exists.
By 'descending-Knowledge' we are shown Absolute Truths by the Texts, Guru, Sadhu-sanga & paramatma
---while we pursue our self-motivated goals relative to our station in life,
this is a universal & absolute pastime for all living being & non-animated elements.
ABSOLUTE REALITY means all living being & non-animated elements engage in sanatana-dharma aka sva-dharma.
Such duties/activities are NOT RELATIVE to time, circumstance & desires
---such acts are relative to ones existence.
Merging into Brahman does not constitute Absolute Dharma it is a relative salvation.
Absolute knowledge is enlightening simply by 'Knowing the Facts'--- here is Knowledge that the Vedas have hidden until recently:
What the Upanishads describe as the impersonal Brahman is actually the effulgence of Lord Krishna's body, and the Lord known as the Supersoul is actually Lord Krishna's localized plenary portion. Lord Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead, full with six opulences. He is the Absolute Truth, and no other truth is greater than or equal to Him.
Lord Krishna enjoys by manifesting Himself as the spiritual masters, the devotees, the diverse energies, the incarnations and the plenary portions. They are all six in one.
The Personality of Godhead Sri Krishna, who is eternally an adolescent, is the primeval Lord, the source of all incarnations. He expands Himself in these six categories of forms to establish His supremacy throughout the universe.
The Personality of Godhead manifests Himself in six different features:
(1) bhava,
(2) vaibhava,
(3) empowered incarnations,
(4) partial incarnations,
(5) childhood and
(6) boyhood.
The Personality of Godhead Krishna, whose permanent feature is adolescence, enjoys His transcendental proclivities by performing pastimes in these six forms. In these six features there are unlimited divisions of the Personality of Godhead’s forms. The jivas, or living beings, are differentiated parts and parcels of the Lord. They are all diversities of the one without a second, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
It is said in Bhagavad-gita that after many, many lives of philosophical research the wise man ultimately comes to the point of knowing that Supreme Personality of Godhead, is everything, and therefore he surrenders unto Him. Such serious students in philosophical research are rare because they are very great souls.
If by philosophical research one cannot come to the point of understanding the Supreme Person, then his task is not finished. His search in knowledge is still to be continued until he comes to the point of understanding the Supreme Lord in devotional service.
The opportunity for direct touch with the Personality of Godhead is given in Bhagavad-gita, where it is also said that those who take to other processes, namely the processes of philosophical speculation and mystic yoga practice, have much trouble. After many, many years of much trouble, a yogi or wise philosopher may come to Him, but his path is very troublesome, whereas the path of devotional service is easy for everyone.
One can achieve the result of wise philosophical speculation simply by discharging devotional service, and unless one reaches the point of understanding the Personality of Godhead by his mental speculation, all his research work is said to be simply a labor of love. The ultimate destination of the wise philosopher is to merge in the impersonal Brahman, but that Brahman is the effulgence of the Supreme Person.
The Lord says in Bhagavad-gita (14.27), brahmano hi pratishthaham amrita-syavya yasya ca: “I am the basis of the impersonal Brahman, which is indestructible and is the supreme bliss.” The Lord is the supreme reservoir of all pleasure, including Brahman pleasure; therefore, one who has unflinching faith in the Supreme Personality of Godhead is said to be already realized in impersonal Brahman and Paramatma.
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The three progressive stages of yogic enlightenment:I)Brahman-Realization, ---the impersonal manifestation of God, nothingness, the field, the void; Brahman is also used as a general reference for God, et al.
II)Paramatma Realization, the presence of god as the nucleus of every inanimate spark and particle of matter and energy in the universe, and also god as present in every animate individual soul as the witnessing 'Supersoul'—hence the word, 'Param (super) atma' (soul)
________________________________________________________________Note: Conscience living beings are capable, by birth-right, of progressing through the following 5 stages of spiritual maturity:
A) anna-maya = recognize the manifest mercy of god as 'food'.
B) prana-maya = recognize god as 'living force in all life forms'.
C) Sankya-maya=recognize god as 'thinking, willing, and feeling'.
D) vigyana-maya= 'mind and ego seen different from the soul'.
E) ananda-maya= 'all-blissful nature' Via prema-bhakti-seva. (loving devotional service to Krishna
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III)Bhagavan Realization, God as he is reveal in the Vedas of India—(krsnas tu bhagavan svayam . . . )
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
Vedas = Knowledge. Knowledge is defined in the Vedas as the ability to discriminate the difference between matter and spirit.
The famous first verse of the Vedanta-sutra: "om atha-atho brahma-jigyansah"
Now, therefore, in the human form of life we should inquire as to nature of Brahman (the Supreme Personality of Godhead).
God =The original Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna who is infinitely full in all opulences ("Bhagavan"), specifically:
God =the original person who possesses all Beauty, Fame, Intelligence, Power, Wealth, and Renunciation;
also,
God =the first person, with his own eternal and transcendental name, fame, form, personality, paraphernalia, entourage and pastime.
God's body =the absolute form of 'Sat-Chit-Ananda'—Eternity. Cognizance, and Bliss.
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The 5 topics of discussion addressed in the Bhagavad-gita ---Three are eternal, one is illusory:
1 Isvara - (Controller) - God
2 Jiva-atma – (Indiviual Soul) - Living Entity
3 Prakriti – Energy (Material & Spiritual)
4 Kala – “Time”
And one is transient:
5 Karma – Action [a) artha—wealth, abundance b) kama—enjoyment, pleasure
c) dharma—work, duty].
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Definition of 'Yoga' =to link up to, to re-unite (also see entomology of the word 'religion'.)
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The three stages of yoga practice:
A) Karma-yoga, yoga of action.
B) Sankya-yoga, yoga of analytical study of scripture.
C) Bhakti-yoga, yoga of Devotion to Krishna
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The 4 famous defects of the conditioned soul
[aka, a spirit-soul in the material world, of repeated birth & death (aka, cycle of samsara)]:
“The four flaws of the conditioned soul are mistakes; illusioned; cheating; imperfect senses”
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The Two Schools of Indian Hindu Metaphysics:
a]the Theist—Vaishnava devotee of Krishna (bhagavata school) &
b]the Impersonalist---the seeker of release from the individual ego and attain refuge and thus merge in the primodial impersonal state of nirvana** (sunyavada school).
**Bhaktajan’s “Theistic” note here is: The individual vector point of the soul is 'active by nature', thus nirvana is not eternal.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
Vegetarianism is all about ‘AHIMSA—non-violence”. Not about our sentiments.
Meatless living is all about warding-off bad (ugra-) karma for humans.
It’s not about compassion for the animals welfare but about the welfare of
children being indoctrinated into a life based on killing inorder to live up to a false standard of ‘living’.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
"Maya":
the Cosmic Material Energy' recognized as a field of temporary matter and energy in flux,
whence, the soul appears, to lord it over as best as can be had.
All the whilst identifying with the present body, which was afforded by the fruits of prior actions.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
Karma & Reincarnation:
Karma means, 'action'. All living creatures Eat/sleep/mate/defend
---one must rise above the mundane order of life and death.
We are all destined to take repeated births in various bodies until we are
re-acquainted with The grace of Mukunda (a name for Krishna---the sole Bestower of
Liberation from the material ocean of repeated births and deaths—since time immemorial).
This is done by approaching the top experts in the world authorized to instruct
novices in the science of Bhakti-yoga.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
The cow is sacred because:
the cow is the quintessentially perfect species for agrarian society—the husband of the cow ‘the bull’ is the best beast of burden for farm life; the cow gives milk, cheese(s), yogurt, butter, panir [curd], ghee, ice cream, whip cream, caramel sweets, medicinal urine, fuel, fertilizer. Oxen, leather.
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Our B-Rabbinical breatheren, the Jews, the descendents of Judah, who make Koshering of meat a religious ritual are the authorities that we must go to argue with, armed with scriptural references, to convince the Biblical scholars of the extent of the consequences of meat eating; especially the cow.
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Charles Dickens’ 19th Century English novel “Oliver Twist” [about the orphan boy named Oliver] starts with the Schoolmaster of the orphan-asylum arriving at the home of the new foster parents, inorder to the retrieve Oliver whose tantrums had made trouble for himself and his newest adopting parents. Upon arriving at the home, the Schoolmaster unlocked the closet whence the boy was arrested by the parent. As he drags the boy back to the orphanage the Schoolmaster scolded the parents thus, “I told you not to feed the boy meat, I told you to feed him porridge”.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
"Hare Krishna" is the mantra chanted by "Hare Krishna" devotees.
"Hare Krishna" devotees, tenets, dogma, scriptures are all ultra-orthodox Vedic traditions.
"Hare Krishna" devotees are orthodox Hindus ---and that is what they preach.
Yes, they are the first to proselytize authentic old-school orthodox Hinduism –since the dawn of creation ---esp outside India.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
Absolute-ness means "A" is differs from "B" there is A & B plus many other letters.
Each is absolutely different from the other --'spell-check' proves that.
The letters are place on a blank Sheet. The word is written by a person for a person.
On one hand I, subjectively, can surrender to whom ever I choose and do whateverI can or manage to do and garner as much as possible for my own benefit ---in all circumstances.
OTOH, there is the Concept of Absolute. Absolute reality exists.
By 'descending-Knowledge' we are shown Absolute Truths by the Texts, Guru, Sadhu-sanga & paramatma
---while we pursue our self-motivated goals relative to our station in life,
this is a universal & absolute pastime for all living being & non-animated elements.
ABSOLUTE REALITY means all living being & non-animated elements engage in sanatana-dharma aka sva-dharma.
Such duties/activities are NOT RELATIVE to time, circumstance & desires
---such acts are relative to ones existence.
Merging into Brahman does not constitute Absolute Dharma it is a relative salvation.
Absolute knowledge is enlightening simply by 'Knowing the Facts'--- here is Knowledge that the Vedas have hidden until recently:
What the Upanishads describe as the impersonal Brahman is actually the effulgence of Lord Krishna's body, and the Lord known as the Supersoul is actually Lord Krishna's localized plenary portion. Lord Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead, full with six opulences. He is the Absolute Truth, and no other truth is greater than or equal to Him.
Lord Krishna enjoys by manifesting Himself as the spiritual masters, the devotees, the diverse energies, the incarnations and the plenary portions. They are all six in one.
The Personality of Godhead Sri Krishna, who is eternally an adolescent, is the primeval Lord, the source of all incarnations. He expands Himself in these six categories of forms to establish His supremacy throughout the universe.
The Personality of Godhead manifests Himself in six different features:
(1) bhava,
(2) vaibhava,
(3) empowered incarnations,
(4) partial incarnations,
(5) childhood and
(6) boyhood.
The Personality of Godhead Krishna, whose permanent feature is adolescence, enjoys His transcendental proclivities by performing pastimes in these six forms. In these six features there are unlimited divisions of the Personality of Godhead’s forms. The jivas, or living beings, are differentiated parts and parcels of the Lord. They are all diversities of the one without a second, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
It is said in Bhagavad-gita that after many, many lives of philosophical research the wise man ultimately comes to the point of knowing that Supreme Personality of Godhead, is everything, and therefore he surrenders unto Him. Such serious students in philosophical research are rare because they are very great souls.
If by philosophical research one cannot come to the point of understanding the Supreme Person, then his task is not finished. His search in knowledge is still to be continued until he comes to the point of understanding the Supreme Lord in devotional service.
The opportunity for direct touch with the Personality of Godhead is given in Bhagavad-gita, where it is also said that those who take to other processes, namely the processes of philosophical speculation and mystic yoga practice, have much trouble. After many, many years of much trouble, a yogi or wise philosopher may come to Him, but his path is very troublesome, whereas the path of devotional service is easy for everyone.
One can achieve the result of wise philosophical speculation simply by discharging devotional service, and unless one reaches the point of understanding the Personality of Godhead by his mental speculation, all his research work is said to be simply a labor of love. The ultimate destination of the wise philosopher is to merge in the impersonal Brahman, but that Brahman is the effulgence of the Supreme Person.
The Lord says in Bhagavad-gita (14.27), brahmano hi pratishthaham amrita-syavya yasya ca: “I am the basis of the impersonal Brahman, which is indestructible and is the supreme bliss.” The Lord is the supreme reservoir of all pleasure, including Brahman pleasure; therefore, one who has unflinching faith in the Supreme Personality of Godhead is said to be already realized in impersonal Brahman and Paramatma.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
The three progressive stages of yogic enlightenment:I)Brahman-Realization, ---the impersonal manifestation of God, nothingness, the field, the void; Brahman is also used as a general reference for God, et al.
II)Paramatma Realization, the presence of god as the nucleus of every inanimate spark and particle of matter and energy in the universe, and also god as present in every animate individual soul as the witnessing 'Supersoul'—hence the word, 'Param (super) atma' (soul)
________________________________________________________________Note: Conscience living beings are capable, by birth-right, of progressing through the following 5 stages of spiritual maturity:
A) anna-maya = recognize the manifest mercy of god as 'food'.
B) prana-maya = recognize god as 'living force in all life forms'.
C) Sankya-maya=recognize god as 'thinking, willing, and feeling'.
D) vigyana-maya= 'mind and ego seen different from the soul'.
E) ananda-maya= 'all-blissful nature' Via prema-bhakti-seva. (loving devotional service to Krishna
________________________________________________________________
III)Bhagavan Realization, God as he is reveal in the Vedas of India—(krsnas tu bhagavan svayam . . . )
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
Vedas = Knowledge. Knowledge is defined in the Vedas as the ability to discriminate the difference between matter and spirit.
The famous first verse of the Vedanta-sutra: "om atha-atho brahma-jigyansah"
Now, therefore, in the human form of life we should inquire as to nature of Brahman (the Supreme Personality of Godhead).
God =The original Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna who is infinitely full in all opulences ("Bhagavan"), specifically:
God =the original person who possesses all Beauty, Fame, Intelligence, Power, Wealth, and Renunciation;
also,
God =the first person, with his own eternal and transcendental name, fame, form, personality, paraphernalia, entourage and pastime.
God's body =the absolute form of 'Sat-Chit-Ananda'—Eternity. Cognizance, and Bliss.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
The 5 topics of discussion addressed in the Bhagavad-gita ---Three are eternal, one is illusory:
1 Isvara - (Controller) - God
2 Jiva-atma – (Indiviual Soul) - Living Entity
3 Prakriti – Energy (Material & Spiritual)
4 Kala – “Time”
And one is transient:
5 Karma – Action [a) artha—wealth, abundance b) kama—enjoyment, pleasure
c) dharma—work, duty].
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
Definition of 'Yoga' =to link up to, to re-unite (also see entomology of the word 'religion'.)
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
The three stages of yoga practice:
A) Karma-yoga, yoga of action.
B) Sankya-yoga, yoga of analytical study of scripture.
C) Bhakti-yoga, yoga of Devotion to Krishna
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
The 4 famous defects of the conditioned soul
[aka, a spirit-soul in the material world, of repeated birth & death (aka, cycle of samsara)]:
“The four flaws of the conditioned soul are mistakes; illusioned; cheating; imperfect senses”
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
The Two Schools of Indian Hindu Metaphysics:
a]the Theist—Vaishnava devotee of Krishna (bhagavata school) &
b]the Impersonalist---the seeker of release from the individual ego and attain refuge and thus merge in the primodial impersonal state of nirvana** (sunyavada school).
**Bhaktajan’s “Theistic” note here is: The individual vector point of the soul is 'active by nature', thus nirvana is not eternal.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
Vegetarianism is all about ‘AHIMSA—non-violence”. Not about our sentiments.
Meatless living is all about warding-off bad (ugra-) karma for humans.
It’s not about compassion for the animals welfare but about the welfare of
children being indoctrinated into a life based on killing inorder to live up to a false standard of ‘living’.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
"Maya":
the Cosmic Material Energy' recognized as a field of temporary matter and energy in flux,
whence, the soul appears, to lord it over as best as can be had.
All the whilst identifying with the present body, which was afforded by the fruits of prior actions.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
Karma & Reincarnation:
Karma means, 'action'. All living creatures Eat/sleep/mate/defend
---one must rise above the mundane order of life and death.
We are all destined to take repeated births in various bodies until we are
re-acquainted with The grace of Mukunda (a name for Krishna---the sole Bestower of
Liberation from the material ocean of repeated births and deaths—since time immemorial).
This is done by approaching the top experts in the world authorized to instruct
novices in the science of Bhakti-yoga.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
The cow is sacred because:
the cow is the quintessentially perfect species for agrarian society—the husband of the cow ‘the bull’ is the best beast of burden for farm life; the cow gives milk, cheese(s), yogurt, butter, panir [curd], ghee, ice cream, whip cream, caramel sweets, medicinal urine, fuel, fertilizer. Oxen, leather.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
Our B-Rabbinical breatheren, the Jews, the descendents of Judah, who make Koshering of meat a religious ritual are the authorities that we must go to argue with, armed with scriptural references, to convince the Biblical scholars of the extent of the consequences of meat eating; especially the cow.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
Charles Dickens’ 19th Century English novel “Oliver Twist” [about the orphan boy named Oliver] starts with the Schoolmaster of the orphan-asylum arriving at the home of the new foster parents, inorder to the retrieve Oliver whose tantrums had made trouble for himself and his newest adopting parents. Upon arriving at the home, the Schoolmaster unlocked the closet whence the boy was arrested by the parent. As he drags the boy back to the orphanage the Schoolmaster scolded the parents thus, “I told you not to feed the boy meat, I told you to feed him porridge”.
HYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHYHY
"Hare Krishna" is the mantra chanted by "Hare Krishna" devotees.
"Hare Krishna" devotees, tenets, dogma, scriptures are all ultra-orthodox Vedic traditions.
"Hare Krishna" devotees are orthodox Hindus ---and that is what they preach.
Yes, they are the first to proselytize authentic old-school orthodox Hinduism –since the dawn of creation ---esp outside India.
