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I think it goes hand-in-hand. The closer we get, the more we knock, trying to break down that last barrier between "it" and ourselves.

I use the term "grace" (perhaps incorrectly) because I know that for some people "enlightenment" may not be appropriate. By grace I mean a form of divine grace... a connection with God's wisdom and benevolence. IMO, The saying "knock and the door will open" doesn't mean the knocking itself...

Who said the apple was rotting? Why not young, puckery and tart? Why not perfectly ripe and sweet? The Buddha was enlightened, as are many who've practiced my religion, Buddhism. My teacher once said, "progress doesn't happen at an even, steady pace. Sometimes the dharma seems to sweep you...

I don't believe I said that at all. I believe that my point was that maturation... ripening... is not something one wills into existence, but something that comes naturally, in it's own time. Now I would agree that some aspects of behavior can facilitate that transformation. But I don't...

And that wisdom that you gained from mindless meditation... did you say "I will become wise now," and have it pop into your head at your command? I've always found that wisdom can't be commanded, but comes when it comes... on its own accord. Your results may vary. ;)

So you chose through your own free will for the hormones to activate? When you mature and are dealing with menopause instead of PMS will that have been a choice of your free will?

No. Here was the discussion...

Brian, the snapshot below shows what your link produces. Could you please just provide a link to one of your irrational atheists or simply admit you made them up?

Well never mind then. I'm strictly an amateur.

Does a person? ;)

Some just call it maturation. Do apples ripen because of God?

Or you could just talk to us instead. I think I'll wait and not follow you link... until I have a chance to know you better. So... kowalskil... what's up with you lately? How's it hanging, dude?

I'm sorry... Get personal with what? How does one differentiate between the outside and God? Or do you just mean to get personal with the outside?

Yes. I think I understand how quotes function in a Google search. I never said that my search technique was the only method one should use. I did in fact ask others to help me find these "Atheist fundamentalists" that Brian spoke of, but I didn't tell you what method you should employ. I...

And yet, from your link I'd like to point out last paragraph by Thomas W. Clark... Because naturalists are driven by the quest for reliable knowledge, we are not in the business of defending a particular picture of what finally exists, a particular ontology. If the best, most transparent...

Indeed, at approximately 1:40 into the video he says... I think anybody who would say that they are certain that as a strong atheist against deism or designer, distant far-away gods... it's... that's kind of absurd. That's an irrational belief. You can't say for certain there is no...

So by evangelizing you'd include anybody talking about their faith... or lack of faith? Everybody in this discussion is very determined to paint atheists as "fundamentalists"... "evangelizers"... It's really quite curious to me. Why the added spin? I don't refer to every believer as a...

Yet you can't give me one direct quote. Curious. I don't recall that actually being said in the video you linked to. Could you please point to the time in that video where it is said?

Nobody has come close to saying "If science can't describe it, then it cannot be real." So no. It doesn't fit my request. Your Positive Atheist was simply an atheist. What did he say in that video that qualified him for the label "fundamentalist"? And what are you even trying to describe by...

That doesn't sound very AF to me. From the link... Hypotheses based on supernatural forces are commonly viewed as worthless by the scientist because they imply no testable predictions. However, the methodological naturalist is not committed to a denial of God's existence. Possibly God will...