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Science can describe its effect. But they cannot describe what causes that effect. No one has pointed to X and said "This is the fundamental part of gravity... it is a wave... it is this big... it has this much force." I think most people accept gravity as real. That's why I used it as my...

I'll bet he has to walk back his statement one way or another. Let's see if he settles for one of your descriptions. Though it seems far from what he described. It'll be a long walk back.

ef·fec·tive·ly 1. In an effective way. 2. For all practical purposes; in effect: Though a few rebels still held out, the fighting was effectively ended. effectively 1: in an effective manner; "these are real problems that can be dealt with most effectively by rational discussion"...

You gotta help me out. This is the internet. You'd think everything's been said at least once around here. EDIT: Wow. It took a little work, but I finally got some results. Four to be exact. Sure, I had to reduce my search to "If science can't describe it". But I think I'm getting...

Please point one out. I'd love to see someone say that if, "science cannot describe it, then it cannot be real." Science cannot describe gravity. They know its effect but not what it actually is. Science cannot describe gravity... but I think most people would agree that it is real...

The entire world is waiting for you to reach enlightenment. What's taking you so long?!

Conversion away from belief or non-belief says nothing about the original position held. The world is filled with people who've left a faith or taken one on. If this is supposed to be a measure of one side or another, then all sides have been discredited and validated countless times over.

I think you go with something like, "I changed my mind." Since most people at some point in their life have experienced a change of mind, they should be able to relate to this. Trying to understand it on any other level than that might prove difficult.

I haven't told you "how [you] should feel" or "what type of spells [you] should do". If you think that I am, then that is one reason I'm skeptical about the signs you claim to be experiencing. You seem to see things that aren't really there.

I completely agree. And one thing we can change is our own self... a far more fruitful and empowering endeavor than trying to change someone else.

Which would seem to contradict using ones intent to influence events and peoples behavior. Equanimity would mean accepting these things without trying to exert one's intent to alter them.

Who are the "they" that taught you? How can you be sure that you do not fall prey to seeing what you want to see, when that is a very common human trait that people often fall into? What signs do you receive that tell you your spells are working? And finally, why is it wrong to meet life's...

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. ;)

Sorry to arrive so late to the conversation, but as a Buddhist and skeptic, there are a number of things that raise my doubts about your observations. Seeing signs is seductively easy to fall prey to. In the end, we see what we want to see. We interpret things to be signs because it fits the...

The problem with news flashes is that they are rarely the whole story. They are often the information we have at this moment... that often changes as more time passes. That and the fact that we are primed to jump to anti-Islamic conclusions makes me suspicious of flashes and longing for...

What was "absolutely certain" a month ago? :confused:

I want my money back! :p

Why stop at two? Why not 7? Or 13? Or 1,307,285,304.693?

Where does the ocean go when a wave forms? Where does the wave go when it recedes? Arising from the source... receding back to the source... never disconnected or apart from the source, it rises and recedes over and over again.

I would say that Islam is a path to the truth. But there are many, many paths.