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hmm irresponsibility is perhaps a natural reaction to the restrictions placed upon us by family ~ especially as concerns youth who maybe are not ready. there is also a necessary chaos element to change, however in extremes these things can loosely be called evil. ...and you are right some...

Quote me: god the being of the whole. hows that? the whole includes all. Quote me: the unchanging ‘god’ has no bearings on the debate as it does not exist by its own definition an existence ‘is’, the unchanging is not a thing. i suppose it may exist as not-a-thing, without any...

. it was an analogy or metaphor for how you may have an eternity that has form and hence you could have god as eternal and god that has form. . . i use them as we are talking about an ambiguous notion. because the mind is embedded in human experience, it doesn’t mean that the product of that is...

thanks for all that info bish, perhaps i was reading what you meant wrong, its the religious connotations i am weary of ~ but i shall contemplate on the idea. i have always shied away from absolutes, as nature seams to as well. thank you! :)

. yes and no. you could have an eternity of orange light yellow light etc until you have an eternal rainbow, one could then shape that light like a kaleidoscope would shape finite light. eventually images would be produce, but this being eternity they would be alive and have personas etc. so...

dauer . so god can have definition ~ so what, that doesn’t mean he is that definition it just means he can be, like an ocean can have a wave, or like an actor plays a role. are you now saying that6 god is definitionless ;) . . yet above you said this... . . which would infer at least that you...

very good point wil. we are far more intelligent and perceptive, but i think your point still holds true.

do you mean that in the ordinary definition: absolution: noun: the act of absolving or remitting; formal redemption as pronounced by a priest in the sacrament of penance noun: the condition of being formally forgiven by a priest in the sacrament of penance i don’t see what this has to do...

in a universal entity [that i think reality must be] we are both nothing and a part of everything, insignificant and the ultimate in significance. perhaps we can see life as at once an ocean to which humans make great utility of mind [where mind is the ocean], and also as like biology; you get...

dauer hmm, well 'definitionless' like 'timelessness' doesn’t mean ‘having no time’, it is usually taken to mean all or beyond any aspect of time. time can also have description whist being descriptionless. god has description in any shape he takes - so to say, if ‘he’ creates then in that he...

wil perhaps we are both right, god both evlolves and does not evolve, just as we change yet remain us.

tao the evidence is in the engineered universe which the tree of evolution is of. it isnt irrelevant if it is interactive, we have but to listen to it telling us we need to change. i hate to think i am saying all the same old stuff, i thought at least some of it was new or at least new...

dauer no i meant that reality remains so regardless of our definitions. it is not subjective only our definitions of it are. i have to say what i mean but that isnt itself a declaration of statement, itn is pointing to what is to be understood. indeed; if he thinks or acts in anyway then...

my word no! he was a soldier, people like that look for enemies thats what they do and they think it is ok to think like that. if they left things alone and didn’t make things happen in the first place then no evil could occur could it. hence evil is sought, good is ‘there’ it doesn’t have to be...

alex p indeed. perhaps it has seen and heard it all before, perhaps on a given planet somewhere out there [or in a previous universe or a billion universes ago] these discussion happened a million years ago and hence in the greater scheme of things are irrelevant. yet in this part of it it...

dauer it doesn’t depend on our definitions at all, there are only two options; god = nature, the universe reality, or god is extraneous to that. so here i am saying g?d is literally the intelligent universe, and that this intelligence is fundamentally a part of physical existence [and...

i would say so yes, and look further and encompass the singularity/universe. i call it officially an ‘it’ too lols. ‘it’ for me is the universal integer of philosophy. i would see an eternal sameness and an externalised evolution, ‘it’ changes into whatever occurs. let us not forget ‘ti’ ti...

indeed god has changed in religion too, perhaps man sees part of it then another part some of which contradicts the former. i think we need to try to look beyond our perceptions of it and to forulate ideas about what the whole god would be like ~ if we can call it a god at all. i prefer to call...

equally so, judging and condemning what is seen as not one particular kind of good creates ‘evil’. good happens! :) we have to try to be evil, to be truly good is to let good happen not make it happen.

well as tao says, evolve only means change he could remain incredible wise and intelligent throughout. if he is involved in the process of existence then he changes, yet here we are talking as if god is extraneous to existence, whereas i am saying there is nothing outside of existence and that...