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Hi MitF, Here again we have the same obvious misunderstanding of Rationality and Logic... and the Pragmatic. Yet again the accusation is made that judgements based in reason are somehow therefore 'robotic'/machine-like and uncaring... NO one is saying that Humanism doesn't play a part...

MitF, You will note that I neither said there WAS 'chaos' or that I agree there is 'natural order'. I was asking, very simply, for you to explain what you mean by 'natural order'? If you are saying a certain genetic combination can produce under certain conditions, a clone of another...

I leave it to yourself, Ben, to begin a new Thread, but in all honesty, especially in view of your honest and quiet responses concerning your understandings, I think the relevance is to this thread and what you have interjected. I will attempt an equally honest assessment of two key points in...

"God dances and sings to us from the spaces between electrons". Exactly, Ciel.... though you can guess that I would put it this way: "God dances and sings to us from the spaces between electrons" if that is how we wish to conceive of It, He, She, or They.

"Shouldn't we just leave things to their "natural" order?" Good question, MirrorintheFog. My reply is to ask you to explain what you mean by 'natural order'? Many of us feel, and claim evidence, that there is no 'natural order', but rather 'Chaos', not just on mathematical grounds...

there are effects related to positive thinking is pretty well-documented in mainstream medical science. ============= True, Brian. As you so rightly point out this goes beyond simply telling people to be 'positive', in which, as you say there are problems for many individuals. The actual...

Hi SacredStar, Have you considered Lipton's undeniable failure to consider the 'determinism' represented in the cloning of creatures, like the most recent £26,000 pussy cat? Lipton's arguments are one of the bases for the conceptual hypothesis of "c", or consciousness, as it is interpreted...

Aesthetics also deals with the question of whether such qualities are objectively present in the things they appear to qualify, or whether they exist only in the mind of the individual; (((So this is THE individual correct, or all individuals on average?))))) hence, whether objects are perceived...

Hi SacredStar, I am familiar with the nonsense perpetrated by Michael Roll. So are the many people he approaches with his irrationalism. There just isn't any evidence so far. Is that so hard to accept by the 'Michael Rolls' of this world? Every approach to set up test situations has...

doctrine, prayer, meditation, rituals, ceremonies, or rites. ========= Green Lantern, (WELCOME by the way to this Community and Forum.) The matters you describe appear to me to be rather confused and confusing. It is stated at the end that "doctrine..." etc., are possible means...

What you personally and affectively believe, Green Lantern is fine, but I cannot let this go: "Death is a transitional phase in experiencing the physical to spiritual life." Affirming this to yourself according to your personal validations is not 'evidence' to anyone, but yourself, as I...

MintF, You say: What's the point of morality if they are man-made concepts with no bearing on the natural scheme of things:? Only you can answer that according to the dictates of your reasoning and rationality. As Einstein said there is a need for a morality and ethical system based in...

May I say how much I am enjoying this debate, and wish you a peaceful, safe and happy Christmas!

VC, You say: "You will find millions of people throughout the ages have attested to "the sense sublime of something far more deeply interfused", including myself. But in order to sense it one needs to be open to the possibility. Many known phenomena are unexplained: telepathy, photographic...

And to you too, LunaMoth: Happy Holidays and Peace. Keep safe.

Hi Ben, I am only here in this post referring to your last. I am wondering if you have actually thought that your argument throughout is based in one simply premise? That premise is that you know and affirm the existence of a God-entity outside of yourself, and that you 'know' what that...

Guru, I do not think I have denigrated your Faith anywhere below - in this Thread...forgive me if that may be your impression. I am always suspicious of all forms of proselytising that endeavour to tell me how to feel. Notice I have not said 'think' in that last sentence, because that should...

Sorry... to make things clear, I do not feel, or think, that there is 'natural' justice. 'Justice' is just a human concept. (... which may, or may not, be projected upon a 'God' or Gods and Goddesses, again by human beings?) Good and bad things 'happen'... why claim 'chance' has an...

With due respect to SS and LM, I do not really understand all this stuff about 'end of times'. Sorry to be not up to par on this one! lol Does this refer to the physical end of our perceiveable Universe? If so,I will not be likely to be around to appreciate it. Does it refer to the death of...

Thanks, Brian. All good wishes for this Season to you and yours... as everyone says, but I sincerely mean. We must meet up again sometime and catch-up on everything. If you are ever heading down the A1, do turn off at the appropriate point. Tea and toys for the young at heart! ========== Re...