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I'm not sure what "liberals" you are referring to here, Shuny,and it kind of sounds like you are stereotyping liberals, for some reason. Now, I would describe myself as a liberal and I haven't jumped "with glee" on the "seminal principle." I have said that Augustine takes Genesis in an...

Shuny, my friend, please edit. Too many "the's" where another word should be. Also, I am already aware of all this. Why are you bringing it up?

Yes, you can separate the principle of relativity, as per PR, from the principle of relativity, as per curvature of space. The former, which is what I am interested in, states that nothing exists in isolation, that relationships constitute the "essences" of things. Whether s[ace is curved or...

NO, I don't agree with you at all here. Gnostics stressed the the Kingdom was within us, not something about to happen out there. That being the case, you do not need the priests as intercessors. However,you want to slice it, the fact of the matter is that Eckhart was declared a heretic...

I agree with some of your interesting points, Thomas, but disagree with others. Largely the model, the picture of God as he is in his own nature that the church fathers promoted was Hellenic and based on Hellenic standards of perfection. The immune and the immutable were enshrined. Hence, God...

I want to be clear o n this. Are you understanding them as saying that creation took six-thousand years?

Huh? Lactantius seems to me to be saying that God created the world in six 24-hour days and that this symbolizes the fact the world will last six thousand years. 'And divided it in the exact measure of twelve hours by day and night"? Sure looks to me like he has a 24-hour day in mind. Same...

P.S. I tried to answer both Steveqp and Shuny together. Let me know if this worked.

That's true about the term "atheist" toady, BigJoe. However, in older, archaic usage, it also meant someone who had a different concept of God. Unfortunately, some fundies today still use it in that sense.

True, BigJoe. "Creationism" has come to stand for any sort of theism. That gets confusion because such a term is also applied to creation-science people.

Well, you certainly have given me a lot to think about. Let's start with prayer. Maybe I'm a dummy, but I still don't see the problem. I don't know who the above author was. I do know more than con conservative critic has attacked process without a full understanding of what is the latter...

Thanks for the info. on Irenaeus. I'm inclined to think the P source, author of Genesis, had six 24-hour days in mind, as I believe Gen. 1 was intended as a liturgy, one that would attack polytheism, by saying we should follow the same God every day of tehe week.

In the "early" Whitehead, there was no mention of God. This is largely the pre-1925 Whitehead. In the biggy, "Process and Reality," God is introduced to explain creativity and also the meaningfulness of life. Between about 1020 and 1929, Whitehead kept expanding his system. In his "Concept...

OK, Shuny, turning to the proofs for God. I think you are overlooking a major point of Whitehead's principle of relativity, which is that if something exists, then it is perceived of or prehended (to use Whitehead's term). Now, since I hold with this principle, it is therefore logical to posit...

I guess I don't fully agree, Shuny. One problem is why the brain generates a mind. How can zillions of mindless entities all assembled constitute a mind? It makes no sense. Another problem is exactly what do you want to call a brain. Cells have feelings, are alive. I can easily say they...

I'm puzzled here, Steveqp. I don't follow why you feel it is dualistic and presents problems for prayer. Please explain. Here is a brief synopsis of some of my proofs for God: According to Whitehead's principle of relativity, to exist to be prehended. So who prehends the entire, the...

Good points, Stevegp. From where I sit, substance metaphysics is out the window. I believe God is essential, however, to explain creativity, complex structure, and guarantee the meaningfulness of life, among other things. I didn't know whether you wanted me to go into detail here or not. So...

I'm interested in metaphysics, Shuny, and therefore yes, have moved beyond actual science. However, it is true a few scientists have spoken openly about atoms having a mind. I'm not sure what you men by "fractal" chaos and prediction. Could you give me an example of how behavior, all behavior...

I'm not sure what you disagree with. That metaphysics is a "messy" business? Yes, the philosophy of science does assume uniformity and predictability, but not all behavior is lawful and fully predictable. That was a point Hume stressed, pointing out there is loads of chaos in nature. What...

I'm sorry, Shuny, I don't follow you at all here on Barnabas. He sure seem to me to be saying that creation took six-thousand years. Anyhow, I'm not sure what your point is here. I never said all the fathers argued for an purely allegorical interpretation of Genesis. However, it is...