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    What about the devil?

    Hello Wil, I think that the name calling that you mention just reflects my own fallen condition, its a tendency to distance myself from what I don't like. But to some extent it also reflects my pessimism about human nature, and that I also see myself as part of that human reality that I...
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    What about the devil?

    Hello Taijasi, a long reply!:p If understood correctly, you say that the problem with original sin or sinful nature is that it allows us to divest ourselves from responsibility. I might be missing something, but the protestant evangelical mindset where I came from more or less said that...
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    Liberal Christianity without Creation?

    Ruby, that inherently good nature that you claim in humans is a Rogerian concept that a big chunk of humanist psychology upholds, it is true, but its not the whole truth IMHO. You are right, unconditional love and a positive environment are necessary to cultivate a decent human being. But that...
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    What about the devil?

    Hello Learner, thanks for that response. I somehow feel compelled to agree with your view, that in essence it is about going against God and the order of things that he has established (if one sees it from the bible strictly). The problem of sticking to the bible (or a coventional...
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    What about the devil?

    First of all, apologies if this subject has been dealt with before. Reading the OT the only direct reference of the devil that I can think of is in the book of Job, if I remember correctly there are a few allegories in the prophesies against the kings of Tyre and Babylon and of course the...
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    Progressive Christianity

    Gracias Abogado, very interesting theory. It is strange that the favourite gospel while deep and full of spiritual mysticism, on the other hand retiterate time and time again Jesus' place in the trinity. Alvaro
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    Progressive Christianity

    So, are you guys saying the "I" is as if Jesus was speaking for the Father, or refering to himself as an archetype for us to follow? Playing the devil's advocate here, I cannot see how you can escape the centrality of Jesus in John 14, unless of course one takes some of the assumptions above...
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    What is inaction in the TAO context?

    Hello V, thanks for the info. I did a bit of research on the topics you mentioned, and it is becoming clearer. My translation of the Tao also is becoming clearer, some of the things being said are so true like chapter 38, but the way it is explained is genius. In this context I am starting to...
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    What is inaction in the TAO context?

    Thanks, I understood the connotation of spontaneity, but I suppose is not the normal spontaneity that we normally refer to. Though I feel that full spontaneity can in itself be therapeutic is not always well received, and some argue that it equates lawlessness, especially since you cannot cut...
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    What is inaction in the TAO context?

    I am reading the TAO and I am bit intrigued by the concept of inaction (I am not very familiar with eastern thought). My simplistic take is that one does not need to interfere or strive with its environment to live, if one somehow just "is" then things will naturally fall into place (somehow...
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    In reality we own nothing!

    Rich people have stuff and poor people have faith, isn't that the way it works? Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich and taking their stuff. Lao Tzu said, "keep the people's heads empty and their bellies full." If you read Chinese philosphy it's pretty clear that it's about...
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    In reality we own nothing!

    Hi, I like your stance, but I think a bit of detachment can be healty, especially when things go wrong. Recently I was shortchanged by 20£ in the supermarket, I complained straight away, the supermarket's response was to check the balance in the till, guess what, it was 6 pounds short. I...
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    Consciousness?

    Not sure I'm threading on the right path with this, here I go. One thing I realised not that long ago is that you feel with your body, not your head, incuding emotional feelings. Some modern psychotherapies, acknowledge that we communicate with our bodies, and that mental and physical disorders...
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    The path has become more of a dirt track.

    When these qualities are realized, scripture, traditions, axiams, specious reasonings, and biases based upon them take a back seat. I 'm not familiar with the context of the extract you quoted, it sounds a lot like the fruits of the Spirit, like an ultimate standard to aspire to, which is...
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    The path has become more of a dirt track.

    Hello Vaj, I don't understand Buddhism much:eek:, but what you quoted is so true. I agree it is an important ingredient to listen to your pure inner voice if that makes sense, but I believe that first what we need is to fulfil our need of love and acceptance to a reasonable degree. Otherwise we...
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    The path has become more of a dirt track.

    Now I have no clear spiritual guide and no clear direction. Part of me thinks that this is a good opportunity to grow, another part of me is worried that I am making no progress and a small part of me thinks that I should go back to the NKT and just ignore all the things that made alarm bells...
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