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  1. Miken

    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    Except with Philo of Alexandria. Philo was a Jewish philosopher who was influenced by Middle Platonic philosophy. In particular he liked the idea that the Platonic God was the ultimate existence and too pure and remote from gross material reality to be the creator of the world. The Platonists...
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    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    The examples of apparent ‘scribal interventions’ are rather few and are noticeable because they stand out in some way and can be seen to serve some purpose. In the case of Matthew 27:62, the odd phrasing of the reference to the day of Preparation stands out. The absence of any such mention on...
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    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    No. Christ as a quasi-divine being was already clear in Paul’s writings. Paul several times refers to God sending his Son with the implication that Jesus was pre-existing. Philippians 2 makes it plain that Jesus came from heaven and in some fashion was equal to God. Colossians 1 has Jesus as the...
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    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    I see the unique material as purposeful invention, providing a background for the author’s agenda of Jesus as divine and worthy of faith. The no longer tenable expectation of a short-term return of Jesus requires strong faith to keep believing. The seven signs provide proofs of the divine...
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    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    I do not see a lot of supportive material for John the son of Zebedee being the author of the Gospel of John and none at all within the Gospel. My admittedly unconventional hypothesis at least is based on the contents of the Gospel itself. The main argument in favor of John as the author is...
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    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    In Mark and Luke, the crucifixion takes place on the first day of Passover, following the overnight arrest and trial of Jesus. Mark 14 12 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, “Where will you have us go and prepare for you...
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    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    @Thomas and @RJM Corbet Thank you for your condolences and sympathy. I do not believe that the author of the Gospel of John, or the source of the information contained in it, can be identified with the Apostle John, son of Zebedee. IMO the clues given in the story about the person called a...
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    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    I see John as invention, incorporating elements from the three earlier Gospels and from Paul into a new take on the meaning of Jesus. Paul’s message included an expectation that Jesus was going to return very soon. After decades had passed and this had not happened, Mark sought to revive faith...
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    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    Hi Thomas. Back temporarily just to answer this. I have been dealing with a death in the family and have the total responsibility for the necessaries. I need a brief break from that. Your detailed timeline does show three full days and three nights, without having to explain part of a day being...
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    Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

    Which is why we took the other stuff to another thread. Nothing more to say on this thread. See my post #235 one up from here. Post #234 was duplicated om the other thread. https://www.interfaith.org/community/threads/19475/
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    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    1 Corinthians is usually dated to about 53-54. Tradition has it that Peter and Paul were both under arrest in Rome at the same time in the early 60s. Why would Mark not have been able to read 1 Corinthians? Can you provide a timeframe for John's narrative, including days of the week and the two...
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    Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

    As per rstats request I have started a new thread for this topic.
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    Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

    John's timeline is ambiguous. John has the Last Supper take place in the evening of 14 Nisan, i.e. after sundown on the day before Passover begins. It is therefore not a Passover Seder as it is in the Synoptic Gospels. This eliminates the major problem of the priests and the elders and the...
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    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    IMO they each had particular meanings for the authors. Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 refers to the resurrection happening ‘on the third day according to the scriptures’. He does not reference the specific scriptures but it sounds like: Hosea 6 2 After two days he will revive us; on the third day...
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    The Three/Third Day Resurrection Problem

    As per request of the originator of another thread, this discussion is being moved to a new thread. The topic is the tension between the various Gospels stating that the resurrection was to have taken place on the third day, after three days, or after three days and nights. John's timeline is...
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    It might explain how they got lost for 40 years

    Men don't ask directions.
  17. Miken

    Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

    The thread is already loaded with off topic interests many of which have essentially nothing at all to do with the time frame. It should be clear after all this time that there is no support for the three days and nights being a figure of speech. If you object to anyone straying at all from the...
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    question about shared stories/myth between religions

    Sir James Frazer: The Golden Bough Available online: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough
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    Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

    Concerning the claim that the book of Esther is an example of ‘three days and three nights’ being the same as ‘on the third day’, it is not the case. Esther 4 15 Then Esther bade them return Mordecai this answer, 16 Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for...
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    Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

    Concerning the OP, I have previously looked into the question and have not been able to find any example or documentation from the era in question that could support the contention that ‘three days and three nights’ could be applied to the period from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. BTW the...
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