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I don't know why he was banned either. I just remember the person who started this thread seemed really angry to me.

I think he had a thing about Catholics, too. Something about them not being Jewish enough, as I recall.

I think that's a fair meaning we can use.

Excellent questions! Seems like as good a time as any to bring up the Parable of the Blind Men and the Elephant: Thoughts?

I don't like to use the term "sacred" here because of the meanings a reader might pack into it, but the books that I find I come back to often as a way to look into myself are many. Obviously, I like the Bible, particularly Genesis, Job, Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Proverbs, the Gospels and...

The process of identify all with the self is co-extensive with letting go of the self. "Self" depends on an "other" for its existence. If there is no "other" then there is no "self."

While some people in this community clearly have a can opener at the ready, I think the really big cans have not been publicly opened.

Is this in response to my comment about not having a dog in the fight? If so, it's because I don't take on faith the inerrancy of any scripture, so I have no vested in interest in proving that somebody else's inerrant scripture is errant. Actually you asked two questions that are related, but...

Well said. It is only natural and expected that we would cling to dualism. Language and identity depend on the illusion of dualism. But to "come out of the world" and eliminate our separation from God is the process of shedding this false identity and actually seeking to know ourselves...

I'm just putting a few historical facts out there. As they say here in Texas: "I don't have a dog in this fight."

And to clarify, Tertullian was the first to start talking about the theological construct of the trinitas. The more general idea that Jesus was "God" was also championed by Irenaeus, and by Justin Martyr and Polycarp before him.

Tertullian. He was the one who was later denounced as a heretic by the Church himself. Though his earlier thoughts and writings remained a cornerstone of "orthodox" theology and (more importantly) methodology.

Our free will eventually builds a free hell. The secret is understanding how that one commandment that's left is the same as the one we started with. Get that and you've truly got a "Get Out of Hell, Free" card.

Trust me . . . so will the other side in this debate. ;)

Maybe my count is off, but aren't we back to just one (or two depending on how you parse a certain sentence)?

I thought you'd like that. :)

Just Tertullian of the two. Adversus Praxean was another of the many early "anti-Heretic" boondoggles the early "fathers" liked to occupy their time writing. This one is made particularly ironic, of course, by the fact that Tertullian was denounced as a heretic by the heresy-hunting monster he...

Uh oh . . .

The earliest surviving writing containing the term (trinitas) roughly in its "orthodox" form is from Tertullian in the Adversus Praxean.

JosephM: Excellent post! I think you and I may share a similar approach to Christianity. Welcome to the CR Forum, BTW.