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  1. Netti-Netti

    Pantheism and Panentheism

    As I see it, panentheism is concerned with redefining the world as a world that G-d is involved in above and beyond the primordial creation event. Now, as a result of recognizing His His immanence, we see that G-d is even greater than classic theism would have you believe. If you're going...
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    "Part of" is not the same as "equivalent to."
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    Go for it!! :)
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    Re: An Interfaith view Panentheism is a theistic wold view. Where's the -theism in Daoist philosophy? I don't see a hiearchical ordering of things as evidence of deity or divine intention, which have an important place in panentheism. Like I said before, an orderly universe doesn't...
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    Which panentheist posited equivalence "between God and creature"?
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    Looks that way.
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    Thomas, you can try to marginalize me all you want. Like I said, there is nothing new in these discussion on panentheism. And you're not having this argument with me. There are plenty of Christian theologians who are panentheists. I really like Jürgen Moltmann, who was a pastor. I quoted...
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    Thomas Following Aristotle before him, Aquinas identified God as the Unmoved Mover, a supremely powerful causal agency that is not conditioned by other causal factors. My impression is that people who have a problem with panentheism are hobbled as a result of overextending the "G-d as author...
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    Author Philip Clayton wrote:G-d continually responds to our thoughts and actions with all the perfection of G-d’s character; and that interweaving of our action and G-d’s response of grace yields an overall whole that is richer than either would have been on its own. Bro. Thomas responded: The...
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    Whose version? Thomas, not sure why you're raising the question here. It's an ok starting point for an argument against pantheism, but does not pose any problem for panentheism. In a panentheistic view, the world is only part of G-d and therefore would not reflect all of the Creator's...
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    Hi Seattlegal. Yes, in some ways. In other ways it would seem to be different...Who knows if the spirit of people rises upward and the spirit of animals goes downward to the earth? (Ecclesiates 3:21) Evolutionary panentheism would suggest that Soul Matter is evolving toward G-d in ways that...
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    Philip Clayton has been working on Christian Panentheism for a while. He notes that there is an internal and external aspect:Panentheism adds a new element into the mix with its distinction between “internal” and “external” ways of conceiving G-d. Panentheists maintain that the model of a G-d...
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    Pantheism and Panentheism

    Thomas, 1) Who has espoused a Panentheism that suggests that Deity is a property of things? 2) If God is that in terms of which something (everything) exists, can we say that the Beingness for which things are dependent on G-d is a property ? 3) Assuming we can agree with the premise...
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    Francis king is moving on... adios all!

    You might enjoy this paper from the University of Oxford about how aggression is experienced as rewarding and pleasurable. It's getting into the neuroscience of negative emotion...When someone overcomes their moral qualms and commits an aggressive act, the ingrained expectation of punishment...
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    Francis king is moving on... adios all!

    According to one psychoanalyst, Dr Ralph Greenson, boredom is a symptom of not wanting to learn something new. I'd say it could also indicate a loss of hope regarding the miraculous/ stupendous arrival of a person or event that is supposed to jump start the spirit, renew the earth, turn things...
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    Francis king is moving on... adios all!

    Sorry to see you go. I liked your philosophical musings I am not sure I totally agree with your thoughts about doing philosophy. I have a degree in philosophy (among other things). That doesn't necessarily qualify me as a philosopher (everyone is a philosopher). However, it has given me some...
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    Christianity: An Integral Yoga?

    Thanks Thomas. Looking forward to your thoughts on reincarnation versus resurrection at some point. Or has that been covered on this forum already?
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    Christianity: An Integral Yoga?

    Thanks for your comments, Thomas. To back to dualism, which is the issue at hand. I don't think Aurobindo is a good candidate for supporting the unitive view suggested in the OP. It seems Aurobindo is actually rather dualistic in his thinking. As though to highlight the disctinctivenss of...
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    Christianity: An Integral Yoga?

    Hi Thomas, On the subject of killing conversation: What do you think of taking a dismissive attitude toward someone (me) who took the time to respond to a personal opinion (yours) by stating a personal opinion of their own? And what would you call that ? It seems to me that you have a...
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    Christianity: An Integral Yoga?

    Hi Thomas. I was responding to your previous assertion that Is your position in this regard the orthodox Christian view or is that Sri Aurobindo's thinking? Thank you for staying on track, Thomas.
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