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Just an excellent read all the way around, thanks for sharing your deep felt thoughts. I enjoyed this very much.

It is such a fascinating concept when one stops to ponder eh? Just what is this "Christ within"? What does that asctually mean? Please notice, I am not arguing against it, I agree, yet probably more in ignorance of what it actually means... It appears to me that if it is the Christ within that...

All very excellent points! Yes, I did not mean to claim I myself have received secret traditions and therefore am in the know. God (and Jesus) obviously have not given out information all around. There is so precious little we actually know, and assuming God, as traditionally understood, knows...

I grasp that, I am simply reporting the actual historic situation.

Good heavens, Jesus kept the majority of his teachings in parables so the public would not understand it, and only revealed the actual meaning to a few select disciples. What makes you think he has to tell us everything? He sure didn't in ancient times. And, there were several secret traditions...

Yes, from John, and many other kinds of commentators and Greek examinations of the word and its meaning, etc. It is an interesting if not difficult topic, without doubt....so..... you don't accept the Gospel of John as inspired?

I honestly have not taken him in this manner my friend. I am enjoying the bantering actually, it's all good...

No, I meant that Jesus left no writings at all. All we have is later stories told about him in any and ALL scripture... we always have choices of various literatures to attend to, but realize they are all interpretations, not quotes of what Jesus may have said. Yes?

Oh my... um, everything written about Jesus is from some anonymous author or another, not even a single eyewitness. We have, at this point in time, no choice but to go with what has been said about Jesus from people who never even knew him...

Then it seems to me you entirely misunderstand why John would call Jesus the Logos, they are not two different things. At least not in John's view. Jesus in saying he was the bread of life was not making himself into two different things in also saying he was the light, or the way, or the truth...

Of course you can agree to that. I said nothing against the Bible as being important, I said there was a lot that Jesus said which was not recorded down for us. The entire Sermon on the Mount can be read in a mere few minutes, yet it probably took a very long time for Jesus to give the full...

Gematria: A Unique, Creative Cohesion With Geometry Demonstrated (Part 1) Leonora Leet in her magisterial analysis of Kabbalah has described what I believe is one of the singular most impressive gematric relationships ever discovered, Not by itself, but because of its association with a...

Yes, I can't help but think that the addition (if even that is the correct way to view it) of a Logos concept adds more depth. Just because Jesus didn't talk about something doesn't mean it isn't important. There is a lot he did talk about that simply couldn't all be recorded back then... But...

I just hate it when you make such good points....GRIN!:)

I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Yes the whole has always existed, so it is a done deal in that regard, but there are vast changes going on all the time, which is a part of creation/destruction all at once, such as when two galaxies collide and changes everything about both of them. I do...

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I'm not trying to argue, just examining this idea - וַיִּ֩יצֶר֩ יְהֹוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶת־הָֽאָדָ֗ם עָפָר֙ מִן־הָ֣אֲדָמָ֔ה וַיִּפַּ֥ח בְּאַפָּ֖יו נִשְׁמַ֣ת חַיִּ֑ים וַיְהִ֥י הָֽאָדָ֖ם לְנֶ֥פֶשׁ חַיָּֽה This is Genesis 2:7. The הָֽאָדָ֖ם does mean "the man." The interesting Hebrew לְנֶ֥פֶשׁ does...

No worries......

You appear to be assuming a generic all around singular Christian outlook and Jewish outlook. I have a suspicion this is not valid. There is nor has there ever been a Christian view, but many. Same with the Jewish end of things... I KNOW there are some Christians who have hat view, and I suspect...

Interesting. I don't think it will last forever this so-called hell and punishment just because say, off chance, I ended up committing adultery. The punishment simply does nothing to justify being tortured for oh say...