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I agree. I think it was Richard Rohr of the Centre For Action and Contemplation (IIRC) who was saying the same thing. Apparently he saw some places in Italy where the church is full of women and the men stand outside in the square. Don't know what to do about it though. Must admit I'm getting a...

Yes, you were just timed out. If you don't interact for ten minutes or so your session ends and you have to log back in, that's all. It's a bit of a pain actually, but I think Brian is considering extending thee time limit. It must be great to do any sort of healing. I wonder how you got into...

Many animals to appear to know when it is time for them to die, and seem content to take what is coming, unlike most humans. I have no opinion on the immortality of the soul, but I would mention that Jesus once said that in Heaven there is no male and female but all were like angels; also his...

Set aside differences? Could we not celebrate them? It wouldn't be a great jig-saw puzzle if every piece was the same. -cliff

Nice one Brian - a good name. And many thanks for keeping this monster alive. Can't wait to see its new incarnation. -cliff

You'll feel at home here then. We tend to start out with all the answers and an urgent need to shout them out. Later we come round to the fact that we know very little and are happy to listen to others. It's a little haven of insanity in an unremittingly sane world. :) -cliff

Hey! Doubly weird. Not only do I agree with you, mee (which is a first ) but I also agreed with something the cult leader said (which was unsettling). This was when he described the sort of life we know - based around TV, cars and debt - was not really living. Real life was living in response...

This thread reminded me of this Cab Calloway song. Everybody Eats When They Come To My House Lyrics Have a banana, Hannah, Try the salami, Tommy, Give with the gravy, Davy, Everybody eats when they come to my house! Try a tomato, Plato, Here's cacciatore, Dorie, Taste the baloney...

100% Liberal Quaker. 86% Reformed Judaism, 85% Unitarian Universalism. I was impressed with the summary of reformed judaism actually. Interesting and unexpected. Hmm...

Yeah OK. I seem to remember passing this way before. :) The point I was trying to make was that God is paradoxically unknowable, although all of us may know him in our own way. But I'd have to add that if the God we know is one of war and victory, or blood and money, then that would have to be...

What makes it hard for us is that there can be no "definition" of God. To define is to draw a boundary, to limit. We need to define in order to have a concept, but God "by definition" has no limits or boundaries, therefore we cannot conceive of him. This is why we can have no "graven images"...

Yes I agree. And we can't meet Christ "out there" with our senses, but within ourselves. In this way we can find common ground with non-theists. And our ego does not have to be all bad. Helminski again:

(Sorry about the long delay - sorting out my son's battle with council tax). Helminski says it better than I can: All I was saying is that we should not allow our own presence to fade away. Cliff

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely and equipped for every good work.2 TIMOTHY 3;16-17

On the first point, my own view is that life is characterised by variety, by differentiation, but in death everything returns to the earth. It all depends whether you celebrate life or look forward to death. The ego is not the only aspect of ones personhood. On the second point, the...

A point well made, Bruce. If we become too self-effacing we erase ourselves completely and become useless. As the psalmist says "Oh how good and oh how pleasant it is when brothers (and sisters) live together in unity." I fail to see what is frightening about that. Cliff

What is a person. That's difficult. In Christianity God is three persons. In the USA, for certain legal reasons, a corporation is a person. Yet in terms of physical make-up each of us is a totally different person from the one we were seven years ago, because all our body cells have changed...

Agreed. I think Gandhi understood Christianity better than most Christians. Remember when in England he was asked "What are your impressions of a Christian country?" he replied "I think it would be a good idea". Gandhi read the bible all through and debated with clerics and scholars. It seems...

I think a lot of the laws were based on good health / town / economic management. I mean - don't get me started on the Sabbath or the Jubilee. But you need to think about what they're about, and not misunderstand them based on our skewed 21st century perspective.

Now this is interesting. The world changes, you say, but the Bible doesn't. So you have to interpret the biblical text to extract what was the important thing it was telling us. So guns = swords. Fine. What is the important thing that the verses dealing with consumption of blood telling us...