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the Book of Enoch was Jewish literature... from 300BC ( oldest fragments) it contains much info on the name Azazel..... and interestingly similar verses to key verses in main texts... one can wish that things are clean and obvious - but 'tis not so... and even with all the relevant detail...

agreed - and it is recorded in the Quran that second temple sacrifices were refused.... the lil red string from the scapegoat story....

There is more enjoyment ahead of you.... Follow the idea of One God from the Zoroastrian belief and into spread which occurred later - Judaism,Hinduism,Buddhism, and several other belief systems come from ideas which were preconceived during Zoroaster's lifetime.... The idea spread in many...

:) if there WAS i could collate... I am trying to place my experiences with what i find written.... I have experiences which do not relate to language at all... which is where my difficulty comes in...

I REALLY, REALLY appreciate many things i have found within Hinduism and Buddhism.... I get deeply sidetracked and spend hours reading translations... enjoying myself the whole time..... but at the end of it all, I just have a very difficult time equating what I am experiencing, with the Logic...

:) thanks. since this is an entirely new method of approaching subjects for me, I will consider your words... but, thank your for your simple observation.. so you would recommend a simple flat statement with no detail? you would consider this something that could be covered in how many...

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no you didn't.... did he?... yes, he did....... i don't approve of your definition.....

It's all in the interpretation of the account, I believe... I believe his daddy was a human man.... and His Father the Father of All

Ben, I thank you very kindly for that.... I will approach this in a novel way ( for me ).... I will not try to tie my understanding into Historical Reality - with it's own unique viewpoint - I will simply speak my questions to you and use what little history I can to tie it together...

sweet, a greeting... :) why, hello there.... I am not - but I would recommend a thorough investigation.... from differing views.... and merging that understanding... you notice how far the conversation traveled in just a few posts? How on earth to post enough material ( as if anyone would...

consider a third component: The root of both... I have been meditating on my frustration with this hijack - and why, after all these years, my motivation has simply dropped from under me... I never had a strong desire to "correct people's wrong thinking" or "argue until i'm proven right"...

once again, read my words only so that you may throw more dated info at me.... as I have explained to you in enough words for you to understand by now - It is MY position, which I seek to share... but go right ahead - place someone else's name on it - a church past time, i understand... because...

No, I've been watching your straws blowing this way and that.... All the way through this, you simply throws things you have read at me.... I have returned with points that should have given you somewhere to do some research.... your responses are telling.... How on Earth could a person...

i think there is an either/or situation here.... Either you are in the Presence of Our Father, or you are hiding from Him - I expect those who would stand and speak things about our Father should be standing in His Presence... They may give whatever pretty words they like - But one who DOES...

Athanasius did not even speak Hebrew..... his understanding was biased...

no, the way i understand it - it renders Him a COMPANION, and a trail breaker... You have squarely struck my belief.... And the belief which so prominent that hundreds of years were devoted to erasing it as much as possible... but it couldn't be deleted... When the Priesthood has a Living...

The barrier between Self and Other is illusory.... We are feeling a REAL NEED when these things enter our consciousness - or they would not enter... The point is what we do with the impulse.... do we SYMPATHIZE with the OTHER - or do you see what simply needs to be done as something you are...

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