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seriously..... no one enjoyed that?? sheesh....

I so very much wanted to play with that.... but, i was on my best behavior....

Not so - they were most assuredly Jews before the 4th century.... just Jews with an annoying belief... Jews who believed in the words of another Jew..... They were simply disowned as a sect of Judaism - because of their belief... Like the Nazarenes... and because of fundamental differences in...

The GENUINE problem, IMOFFO, is that the Very Point was taken from future generations..... The blame does not lie with Paul, as is clearly shown in Romans 9-11 . Paul was sharing a message that was disliked by the Jews, as well as by a great many Christians... A message which is argued...

Oh no- i did not take them personally. But what i did do, was empathize with the sentiment... and it IS funny that we each feel at times, the NEED to defend our personal view..... when we know that deep down inside - NONE OF US KNOWS enough of the Truth to pass judgement on the beliefs of...

I believe that it is the same question rearing it's head that is everywhere else a question... How can divinity be indwelling in man, if it cannot be divided... where does the idea of changing God's mind come from? there is no Book of False Prophets... sideways argument.... i'm not so sure...

well, Jesus' Dad wasn't exactly the guy next door..... A Hellenist would have seen through that little trick of logic.... For a Jew to accept Jesus, his dad would have had to have a last name... When they took away Jesus' daddy - everything went to hell.... It was supposed to make him more...

i stumbled on THIS one time.... The Ebionite Home Page HIS truth may be more inconvenient than Al's...... :)

maybe the lighting part - but not the chasing part...

I'm impatient so i will point this in a direction... I feel that i have found a very important point in the ongoing understanding of The Jewish relationship with their God. It relates directly to the whole big issue of the Trinity - and the fact that i feel the discussion was based around a...

I meant that it was a criticism of the early writers - directed at the so called Christian Church Fathers.... They were accused of preaching one thing and keeping secrets for themselves... keeping two classes of Christians... the dumb majority and the Elect.... I find over and over, amongst...

SOME Christians.... the rest were strung up at every turn..... those who believed hellenistic concepts were eagerly sought out as lighting for festivals....

eek is right, my friend..... There is more than one place that eeek is appropriate for..... But it has been my experience that all we must do is take care that WE are vibrating at a rate which is in alignment with LIGHT...... ( as seen in spirit ) We cannot be overtaken by that which is...

eek is right, my friend..... There is more than one place that eeek is appropriate for..... But it has been my experience that all we must do is take care that WE are vibrating at a rate which is in alignment with LIGHT...... ( as seen in spirit ) We cannot be overtaken by that which is...

The Human Being is an instrument which we may use to play the music of the spheres..... Everything in Creation has it's "note" it is playing, and it can all be heard at once - it is beautiful beyond imagining.... Our Father's Creations are all trying to sing a song of Appreciation to our Father...

with my two cents :) Mental Body - one step above the emotional - where mental concepts are dealt with - "Don't get trapped in a mental wonderland - ignoring that which is about you" Where emotional concepts are dealt with - I would suggest a fair amount of work balancing ones self before this...

I have definite thoughts on the matter which arise from my years of studying Religious history - but I perceive you are looking for more orthodox interpretations. If you get to the point you would like to entertain a complex discussion which moves away from the orthodox texts, I would be glad...

:D I was a bad, bad boy when I could tuck my pony tail in my belt....

Would it be a Hellenistic cult, or would it be a sect of Judaism? I think the examples of "who is a Jew" in the texts should be examined to see how that might relate....

The vibrations I perceive begin with the disconnection from the body. It feels like the vibration is linked to the "place" where I find myself - rather then from something originating with me. And of course, place directly equates to what I am meditating on or what sort of questions I am seeking...