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  1. Penelope

    Proprietary Rights

    Bananabrain (speaking as regards the Torah) and Thomas (speaking as regards the Bible's New Testament) each have pointed out to me: the Oral Tradition precedes (written) Scripture. Whatever Divine TRUTH, which is to be found in Scripture, is embedded (first) within the Oral Tradition. The...
  2. Penelope

    Proprietary Rights

    Thomas Please don't berate me because I have questions. They are only questions, not assertions. I admit I skate on thin ice. I am trying to understand. PROBLEM NUMBER 1: Paul, if I understand him correctly, is telling these secular, sophisticated, philosophical Greeks ... not to think...
  3. Penelope

    Proprietary Rights

    Thomas I can't help thinking that different groups within early Christianity must have approached the early oral Tradition in entirely different ways. Each group focusing on this, ignoring that. How did the larger Christian community resolve these potential conflicts? Certainly some disputes...
  4. Penelope

    Proprietary Rights

    Wil, Shawn, Thomas, The oral tradition of early Christianity. I'm trying to understand this. These are private documents within the early Christian community. Passed around (within the community). (Maybe some of these documents stayed within only one segment of that community - say the...
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    Proprietary Rights

    Thank you, Thomas. That is so much richer than I expected (or probably deserved). I do understand a number of things much better now. I only wish I could form into coherent words the questions which I still have. My knowledge regarding the early history of the Christian church is...
  6. Penelope

    The origins of intelligence

    Path, Tao, I really love this! I love this interchange between the two of you! & & & Some book I read as a kid (The Web of Life ?) put the idea of ecology into my head. And intellectually, from then on, it formed how I looked at everything. It was (still is) my Foundation Concept. & & &...
  7. Penelope

    Proprietary Rights

    Thank you, Thomas. That two-thirds answers my question. Historically, the Bible is a mixed-use document: 1. A pragmatically useful document in training the faithful. (The arcane nature of its meanings are revealed while the young are being educated in catechism toward "Confirmation" in the...
  8. Penelope

    why worship God ?

    Okay Glory You ask God to build me a doghouse and paint it red. You ask me to build a doghouse and paint it blue. When you come by my place in 7 days to check it out, what color do you suspect my doghouse is going to be? Penelope
  9. Penelope

    Proprietary Rights

    I was always of the opinion that the Bible is a PUBLIC DOMAIN document. That it belongs to the whole Planet. Why to I get the impression that some individuals (and conglomerates) feel like they own the exclusive rights to how this document is read and interpreted?
  10. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

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    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Base-7 ... Very intriguing! (This occurred to me too - see Post 62 - regarding Abraham and Sarah.) Do I understand Base-7 correct: 0,1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 20, 21, etc. Right? The numbers 7, 8, and 9 do not exist in the numbering system? That's problematical if Abraham...
  12. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    ... a 930 year old man ... Bananabrain, it is a simple question: Yes ? ... or No ?
  13. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Tao It is obvious, neither you nor I, Brian have paid close attention to this thread, or you'd realize there is no rancor or meanness in my calling Bananabrain "Nano." (It's actually kind of affectionate. How can I carry on a conversation with someone while calling him "Bananabrain"? I picture...
  14. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Tao The studies I've seen show just the opposite. When children receive praise, which they have earned, they pay better attention in class. {But that may be just American public education.} Penelope
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    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    What makes the Bible/Torah a document useful to modern individuals in her or his moral/spiritual growth? Hi Avi I'm glad you noticed this sentence. I was worried that nobody had. (It was on Bananabrain's checklist for swift dismissal - thus he did not seriously address my remark.) This...
  16. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    The real Garden of Eden ... and the real Adam ... The thing about Oral history, is that it is like that 'whisper in the next person's ear' game. By the time the message passes thru several individuals, it transforms into a considerably different message than how it began. Over generations...
  17. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Nanobrain You claim a lot for your exegesis ... ("Pardes"? - did I get that right?). But you deny the validity of my exegesis ... (let's call it "Historic Method" - till I come up with more exact title for it). I don't know about you, Nano. But I don't want to live in "a world" with 930...
  18. Penelope

    Faith as an emotionally powerful fantasy = visual mind-pictures which touch a ... ?

    Re: Faith as an emotionally powerful fantasy = visual mind-pictures which touch a ... VC Think you will find your answer in this newer post: the deep flaw in both PRAYER and MEDITATION ... P
  19. Penelope

    the deep flaw in both PRAYER and MEDITATION

    {continued from previous post} & & & I think therefore I am. This is where the problem starts. Both the Western and the Eastern cultural/religious traditions ... put a primacy on Thinking. Of all neurochemical human processes, Thinking is the most valued. Unlike feeling/emotion/passion...
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    the deep flaw in both PRAYER and MEDITATION

    The short answer: I think therefore I am. (back to that, later) & & & You ever play around with a Weegee Board as a kid? Ever figure out how it worked? I did. & & & "Who is Penny sweet on?" Julianne asks. The sliding pointer whirls a couple times around the board and stops at the...
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