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  1. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    (continued from previous post) & & & Some notes on Historic Method ... (Step 2) The Bible can be treated like any other historic document, to paint a coherent picture of a world which has disappeared. The historic development of the American West, as example. What do most people think...
  2. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Some notes on Historic Method ... (Step 1) The Bible can, and probably should, be treated like any other historic document. Even a by-and-large amateur historian like myself has her favorite method of analyzing archeological and anecdotal evidence and trying to paint a coherent picture with...
  3. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Nanobrain, That "British sh't" sucks! (you should learn how to play) Penelope
  4. Penelope

    'This place is Sacred' - Genuine experience of hallowed ground? Devotional hyperbole?

    Re: 'This place is Sacred' - Genuine experience of hallowed ground? Devotional hyperb Hi Nanobrain It's nice to hear you let go of your analytics, for a change, and actually expound on something. (Kind of risky, huh? I could pick your idea apart like you regularly pick me apart. :) ) & & &...
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    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    B My name is Penelope. (Should I spell it for you?) If you used it two or three times in the course of your response, B, you might remember you are talking to another person. & & & P says: We all spout a lot of nonsense and rationalization. B says: Speak for yourself. Personally, I try...
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    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

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    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    We all talk a lot of bullcrap, don't we, B'n'n'br'n? (The normal admixture of nonsense and rationalization.) But when you told me, "Torah is not merely lore. It is also law." ... That broke thru all the nonsense. A little lightbulb flashed on, in my head. Not exactly siraj ("luminous light")...
  8. Penelope

    'This place is Sacred' - Genuine experience of hallowed ground? Devotional hyperbole?

    Re: 'This place is Sacred' - Genuine experience of hallowed ground? Devotional hyperb Anyone have the guts to address this conundrum?
  9. Penelope

    'This place is Sacred' - Genuine experience of hallowed ground? Devotional hyperbole?

    Re: 'This place is Sacred' - Genuine experience of hallowed ground? Devotional hyperb What makes the "Holy Land" so holy? & & & The Gettysburg Battlefield ... A sacred place? Some Americans consider this Civil War battlefield in Pennsylvania, just that - a sacred place. President Abraham...
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    'This place is Sacred' - Genuine experience of hallowed ground? Devotional hyperbole?

    Re: 'This place is Sacred' - Genuine experience of hallowed ground? Devotional hyperb 20 years ago, Les and I are driving south on I-17 out of Flagstaff, down out of the scrub forests and onto the high desert, heading for Phoenix. Third of the way there, we see a sign for Montezuma's Castle...
  11. Penelope

    'This place is Sacred' - Genuine experience of hallowed ground? Devotional hyperbole?

    Can a person have a genuine religious experience from a place thought to be Sacred ... ? 1. I've seen special photographs, of hands with missing fingers, showing auras or ghost-electromagnetic images of the amputated finger - as if still attached. Tested, reliable psychics report sensing...
  12. Penelope

    Faith as an emotionally powerful fantasy = visual mind-pictures which touch a ... ?

    Re: Faith as an emotionally powerful fantasy = visual mind-pictures which touch a ... Chris Both commodity advertising and political propaganda, in what they promote, do appeal to some level of awareness. But promos, which attempt to seduce or manipulate their target audience, appeal to a...
  13. Penelope

    Faith as an emotionally powerful fantasy = visual mind-pictures which touch a ... ?

    Re: Faith as an emotionally powerful fantasy = visual mind-pictures which touch a ... Seems like, we are talking Decision Theory, here. Right? (Fantasy is not a playpen, but a tool. A tool turned inside-out.) & & & It's like being in a zone. A very good tennis player or golfer: All s/he...
  14. Penelope

    Faith as an emotionally powerful fantasy = visual mind-pictures which touch a ... ?

    Re: Faith as an emotionally powerful fantasy = visual mind-pictures which touch a ... Chris, Dream, VirtualCliff, I think this "essential illusion" you are looking for is called fantasy. (Ernest Bormann's more academic term, for this, is named "symbolic convergence." But Bormann uses the two...
  15. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Thank you, Tao. (in small black script)
  16. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Sure, Dream, I'm in a big hurry. Trying to catch up with you folks. I lost thirty years between that long-ago summer with the (unwittingly cruel) trick my Aunt Aileen pulled on me in my youth up to this last winter when Aunt Aileen died. (I never hated her. I continued to love her, because I...
  17. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Dream There is another reason for the "rush." Religion begins, for me, in a morally complicated universe. A morally complicated universe where you have, only, the raw edge of emotion to guide you. I feel like morality, and the emotions morality ignites, constitute about (the lower) 40% of...
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    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Dream Thanks for your "take a breath" nudge. You're right, I needed to mellow out. I'd been up for over 24 hours when I started yesterday's five pieces. Couldn't sleep. I miss my husband. & & & Two families in our development have side-by-side lake cabins, north of here. So we packed...
  19. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    - Numbers 25 & 31
  20. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Okay, BB ... This did get to me. & & & It ripped its way thru all the analytic got-ya's ... This connection tore open a bolt of light, for me to see in. & & & (Past all the analytic got-ya's which, I am beginning to realize, are cover for your own moral evasiveness regarding the...
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