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  1. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Often what is not addressed is as telling as what is: BB You keep nibbling around the edges, but avoid my main argument here. What makes for a great human being? Someone it would be wise to model one's own behavior upon? Who should each of my children model their behavior upon? & & &...
  2. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    BB I can imagine my grandfather as an Anthropologist PhD, 50 years ago, being totally clueless to the "snake-avoidance walk." (Unless Grandmother had gone with him. She'd have noticed, and told him.) I can also imagine myself as an Orthopedic MD sent to this now modernized small town, with...
  3. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    BB I am taking a jog. I see four big kids beating up one smaller kid. If I have my cell-phone with me, I get it out and call the cops. Sure. I may have misinterpreted what is happening here: Four bad kids, one innocent victim. Maybe the little guy was molesting one of the big kid's sister...
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    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    BB Today, Sunday (21 June), is Father's Day here in America. (If you, yourself, are a father, BB, I commend you. It is very difficult work. Being a good one, that is.) This is the third year I and my two children are celebrating Father's Day without their father. (Les, yes, was a good one!)...
  5. Penelope

    Faith as an emotionally powerful fantasy = visual mind-pictures which touch a ... ?

    Re: Faith as an emotionally powerful fantasy = visual mind-pictures which touch a ... (Continued from above.) & & & ... These 'visual mind-pictures' which 'touch a person's inner core' target listener emotions. Over time, the Abolitionists adjusted and fine-tuned this means for...
  6. Penelope

    So what's the story to be?

    shawn Last week I attempted to post a Reply here, a long and thoughtful Reply. At first it was rejected due to being 110 characters too long. After I adjusted that, with plenty of margin for error, I hit post. The post never appeared. I got to thinking, in the interim, and realized ... Just...
  7. Penelope

    Faith as an emotionally powerful fantasy = visual mind-pictures which touch a ... ?

    (Shawn split off from TealLeaf's thread Designing a New Religion and began his own, for the reason's above. He created the So what's the story to be? thread, within which I have commented. Trying to leave a lengthy, carefully thought-out reply, last week, something misfired and my post never...
  8. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    I,B This is what I call the ... Big Dog in the Neighborhood Theory of History. The assumption is: Dog with the biggest bark and biggest bite rules. The smaller dog is cowed by the big dog, but this smaller dog will nonetheless lord it over the very smallest dogs (in just the same way as they...
  9. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    the Hebrew Scriptures – the Old Testament of the Christian Bible I have been told by well-meaning semi-religious friends, that when I read this Book – I should read it as great literature. I read literature for pleasure. I'd rather read Faulkner. I have read the Qur'an from cover to...
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    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    - Judges 19-20
  11. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Dream You have nice poetry to the way you talk. Makes me want to believe, trust the validity of everything you say. Relax. Enjoy life. Go with it. Boy - in high school - got me that way. Very alluring voice. Apologies that I seem compelled to keep asking just a few more questions ... before...
  12. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Head buried in dusty texts all day, ruining your eyes peering at that small typeface ... Your mother ought to box your ears, TE. If the typeface bugs you, look to your own writing, my son ... You use the same font as I. Yes, TE ... "Verdana." And, yeah, most of the guys I know ... prefer to...
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    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    - Judges 14-16
  14. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    Thank you, Marsh. Thank you, Dream. I appreciate that you took a careful look at my words, and have taken the time to give me a thoughtful reply. New to the site, I'm getting the feeling I posted this thread in the wrong place. Be that as it may ... & & & Marsh, The Bible is a book to...
  15. Penelope

    So what's the story to be?

    Shawn, How do we get people working together? How did Christianity do it? How did Islam do it? How did Buddhism do it? Religious cults pop up all the time throughout history. Then disappear. Most cults don't outlive the death of their leader by more than a few years. Were the great...
  16. Penelope

    Top 10 required movies.

    I tend to favor ... morally complicated films. 1. Day of Wrath 2. The Reckless Moment 3. Spy In Black 4. Ripley's Game 5. The Image 6. Oasis 7. Ramrod 8. Vampyres 9. Fort Apache 10. Mean Streets I've lost friends forcing them to sit thru movies I like. (Fair warning. Not everyone's cup of...
  17. Penelope

    So what's the story to be?

    The start-date of the Industrial Revolution is often dated as the same year as the American Revolution. Did the textile mills of Great Britain, over the next two centuries, get their cotton from the Highlands of Scotland? (No. From India, from the American South...) Point taken, TE. But when...
  18. Penelope

    So what's the story to be?

    I worry, sometimes. 30 years down the road, when my children are my age. That the nations of the world will be fighting resource wars. That those of us who wish to reach out to others and find "common ground" will be overwhelmed by the impulse reactions of the majority of our society – our...
  19. Penelope

    So what's the story to be?

    Excuse me, Shawn, for how I am about to parse this question. It is an important question to me, too. I wish to whittle it down to something manageable. & & & 1. Who am I? This is a philosophical question. A secular story. Which I, in living my life, am acting out - to answer. 1a. The...
  20. Penelope

    Let's get real about Bible stories...!

    bb, Marsh, Ezekiel in Chapter 16 is spinning an allegory. I'm not a moron. I get that. (Give me some credit here.) The luxurious woman, which God's-intermediary-Ezekiel addresses, is not a person. She is a symbol for all Jerusalem – rich and prosperous and reverting to pagan ways. At least, in...
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