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    Mark of the Beast

    Do you think my view is wrong or right? If you think it's right, surely you would agree with me. If you think it's wrong, you would challenge it correct? I can't see much difference between what I have been doing and what you have been doing.
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    Working for Money

    I agree with the need to remain engaged in society in order to help solve it's problems and challenges. However, Jesus taught his disciples to be IN the world but not OF it. This means, relate but don't do the same things you're trying to challenge. He hanged out with the prostitutes, but he...
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    Working for Money

    Hi NCOT, I am not sure where you got the idea that I was promoting not accepting money at all. Perhaps you cut and paste the relevant text that caused this confusion for you. The closest thing I said, that could explain what you thought I was meaning, is my reference to the mark of the beast...
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    Working for Money

    On the Mark of the Beast thread, discussion inevitabley moved onto discussion about NOT working for money, because of the relevance between what Jesus taught, and how people will need to live IF there comes a time when you can no longer buy or sell without taking a mark in the hand or forehead...
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    Mark of the Beast

    Hi NCOT, You might need to refresh my memory (perhaps you can find the relevant text) of where you asked me if I thought I was arrogant. I'm not offended, because I can't remember you asking it, however if you did, I would not be offended. If one can question themselves and thier attitude...
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    Mark of the Beast

    Fair enough. Perhaps I will start a different thread for you to post your thoughts on.
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    Mark of the Beast

    Thomas wrote: I agree. I think Babylon refers to any system of man that isn't the God's eternal Kingdom. It's also interesting that Babylon is presented as a whore. Like a prostitute, the world talks about offering 'love', but it's real goal is making money.
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    Mark of the Beast

    Dream wrote: This was in reponse to Jesus teaching us NOT to work for money. Well, Jesus did say it, and he was pretty clear, and literal. His disciples live according to this teachings. I don't understand why Jesus and his disciples obeyed this teaching/principle, yet Christians today fight...
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    Mark of the Beast

    Bob wrote: Sure ALL commandments are summed up by the two greatest commandments, but Jesus did give many other commandment to show us HOW to love God and our neighbor. He even gave a new commandment ''love one another as I have loved you''. So, I am not sure what your point is? Jesus has MANY...
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    Mark of the Beast

    I disagree with you bob. In all those time you mention there was not the ability to put something on everyones hand or forehead without which they could not buy or sell. Well, 1975 comes the closest to that possibility, but even then the problem is that there actually WASN'T a marketable...
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    Mark of the Beast

    Hi Dream, I guess, we will just have to agree to diasgree. Your explanation of Revelation, IMO, is wrong. Equally, you think mine is too. Which is fair enough. I think the sad thing is, that either we are both just promoting our own IDEAS about what it means, or one of us has more light/truth...
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    Mark of the Beast

    Dream: I don't know who is in Christ and who is not, and the Kingdom of Heaven is invisible, and only God knows the full membership (which transcends religious boundaries). The reality is the book is NOT for people who don't want to obey/follow Jesus. Theology doesn't save us, and that...
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    Mark of the Beast

    Dream wrote: It is you who are bringing up this 'more spiritual argument' not me. All I have said is, if you don't want to obey Jesus, then the book is NOT for you. Nothing about being more spiritual at all, just a clear statement from the book itself, which even YOU were repeatedly used to...
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    Mark of the Beast

    Coincidences MAY be found at any time in human history. If all that was needed to understand and interpret prophecy was coincidence, then I agree, we would be in a lot of trouble. However, I am offering a LOT more than coincidence. With regards to your second paragraph, the reality is that...
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    Mark of the Beast

    Same as above post but with some added text (for some reason I couldn't edit the last one) Hi Dream, You seem to be bringing up the smooth talking sharlitans who make a lot of money by constantly talking and promoting the book of Revelation, as if that is evidence enough that the book...
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    Mark of the Beast

    Hi Dream, You seem to be bringing up the smooth talking sharlitans who make a lot of money by constantly talking and promoting the book of Revelation, as if that is evidence enough that the book doesn't actually deal with specific events at some point in the future. Just because there are...
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    Mark of the Beast

    The mark of the beast prophecy is applicable to any Christian at any time. Whatever time or location, if something was proposed to be put IN or ON your right hand without which you could not buy or sell, then it becomes applicable. There is a difference between applicable in the sense of how I...
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    Mark of the Beast

    I have repeatedly talked about how it is a moral book for our situation NOW, HERE, and TODAY. I have repeatedly pointed it back to the teachings of Jesus, and what he taught about NOT working for money. Have you not seen that? The Revelation also shows us that the meek overcomess the mighty...
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    Mark of the Beast

    Thanks for the info. However, again the problem is that it doesn't take into account that ALL have to take it in order to buy and sell. I am sure there were PLENTY of other countries NOT under this rule, and as such were able to buy and sell, willy-nilly. The prophecy says, ''no one can buy or...
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    Mark of the Beast

    You can THINK lawlessness is the mark of the beast, but the prophecy doesn't say that, it says the mark is used for buying and selling. You theory attempts to deal with the in the hand and on the forehead part of the prophecy, but breaks down with the buying and selling part, i.e. NO ONE can buy...
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