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    Theories of Atonement

    Numbers 15 and Leviticus 4 deal with unintentional sins. But as you mention, there was judgment for intentional sins. There were no animal sacrifices prescribed for more serious deliberate sins like murder or adultery, which makes the account of David and Bathsheba very interesting. So for...
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    Maybe Jesus's sacrifice helped open the covenant to gentiles, and helped Jews with the transition to faithfulness without the temple?

    OK, I think I understand what you are saying now. You are not asking about the material from which Jesus’ body was made after his resurrection. You are interested in the meaning and implications of that resurrection, especially in relation to Paul’s words to the Athenians. That is an...
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    Maybe Jesus's sacrifice helped open the covenant to gentiles, and helped Jews with the transition to faithfulness without the temple?

    I kind lost the plot here in this thread. It seems like maybe you are talking about what kind of existence Jesus had after his resurrection? 1 Corinthians 15 Paul talks about resurrection to heavenly life. Verse 40: "And there are heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies; but the glory of the...
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    Maybe Jesus's sacrifice helped open the covenant to gentiles, and helped Jews with the transition to faithfulness without the temple?

    Well of course people may have a variety of interpretations on this point I suppose but the Christian understanding is the other way around, the temple and its sacrifices prefigured the sacrifice of the messiah which would make a permanent atonement of sin. That was always the intention and...
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    Maybe Jesus's sacrifice helped open the covenant to gentiles, and helped Jews with the transition to faithfulness without the temple?

    What made you consider that? What opening disclosed that possibility to you? What do you take symbol to be? Like do you think symbol is a reality unto itself or like an allegory? That distinction really matters. Also that is the traditional Christian understanding, John says, "And he is a...
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    Looking for thoughtful Muslim dialogue partner

    Ok it is taking me a long time to know how to respond here. Not because I don't follow or understand but I think some deeper underlying issues are still unresolved for me. And again, I am not trying to be difficult or play with semantics in any way with you. I genuinely enjoy this back and forth...
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    Encounter With Mormon Missionaries

    I don't have much personal experience with them, only a few brief interactions when I have seen them out doing missionary work on my street. Their theology is interesting, from what I understand they believe in a pre-birth existence, where you live in heaven, but once born on earth you forget...
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    Looking for thoughtful Muslim dialogue partner

    No and that may be my problem. Ok so I get what you are saying. What makes someone Taoist though? Certainly, it must be more than just a mere intellectual head knowledge that existence is. Seems that there would some sort of initiation into a mode of perception or some kind of disposition that...
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    Is there any book recommendations that defend religon belief historically

    The Bible. Though I would have to preface that, because it's not "religion" in the sense of a formal creed or a social or civilizational institution. It's about where worship and allegiance properly belong, and how humans continually misplace that allegiance, whether to power, empire, wealth...
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    Looking for thoughtful Muslim dialogue partner

    No problem at all. For me personally, without Jung's commentary I don't think I'd be able to make much headway in understanding what the text is trying to communicate, but that's just me. I am all for approaching original texts and seeing what unfolds from there. Thanks for the link, I read a...
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    The Value of Secularism

    Lol ok, I was thinking like how that is not a total contradiction. The Israelites entered the promised land and lived there without a king for hundreds of years until they begged Samuel for one. Of course, they had a priesthood, Torah, cities of refuge, festivals and holidays, etc. but no...
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    The Value of Secularism

    What is that? Mankind is not a god. And what God is the theocracy centered around?
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    Is life pointless if subjectivism is true ?

    Human life is pointless if Being is subjective, yes. What would a good life look like though? You can live a subjective existence and have wealth and fame and power. Do you think there is anything beyond that? That is true. There would be no orientation to unite universally under. It would be...
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    Overheard from a conversation next door

    I had to look up Jan Švankmajer, Solaris and stalker, I forget a world exists outside of America lol. I think the West thinks about what can make money, and that's all. If medieval theology helped make better movies people would line up to study it.
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    Overheard from a conversation next door

    Lol, I have been wondering what other people must be thinking that read that convo. Yeah, that quote is interesting. I don't know much about Pauli beyond the information on his Wikipedia page, but just from that, he had Jewish ancestry but was raised Roman Catholic but ends up a genius in...
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    Looking for thoughtful Muslim dialogue partner

    So, I started reading his commentary again, and I think Jung is quite intentional about the fact that he is not standing within those Eastern cultures which produced these texts, and equally a bit worried about someone from outside them trying to imitate them in a wholesale sort of way. So, you...
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    Looking for thoughtful Muslim dialogue partner

    Thank you, that is very nice. Yes, with regard to science and psychology, Yes Jung first got me thinking in terms that the ground of reality is actually, image/imaginal, and symbolic before it is embodied and material. And Jung had a number of essays on eastern spirituality that were very...
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    Looking for thoughtful Muslim dialogue partner

    Yes, this is an important point that this discussion may start circling around. In Scripture, and also in the Qur'an from what I understand, there is a clear Creator/creation distinction. God is not simply one being inside the universe, nor one force within the space-time continuum. He...
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    Looking for thoughtful Muslim dialogue partner

    It would completely flip my world upside down. I would have a hard time, to say the least. That is why your story touched me so deeply. For someone like me, so much of my life and identity is tied up in my faith. Again, I am not a physicist, but am I understanding correctly that what fascinates...
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    Looking for thoughtful Muslim dialogue partner

    I'm sorry to hear that, 23 years is a long time, I can't imagine how it would be to go back into the world again after that long. Why subatomic physics in particular? What is it that draws you to it? You have had an interesting life story, and I am wondering if there is something underneath it...
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