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Ok, now we know what it says, what does "proceeds" mean ... in layman's terms.

Well, movies and tv have more than made up for that in recent years. If homosexuals are promiscuous because they have been kept "in the closet", I wonder why heterosexuals are promiscuous.

Not sure if I have picked up your point precisely, but it is the mixing of "good" (Scripture) and "evil" (homosexual practice), that is the threat we face as Christian parents. It is important to understand the homosexual interpretation of Scripture (eg the David and Jonathan story) so we can...

I don't think anyone is suggesting it is! I agree entirely ... but I was attempting to extend the discussion a little to consider what is appropriate action for a Christian, especially a Christian parent, in the face of gay propaganda ... I don't think inaction is the best response.

For those who missed my point, it is not about erecting competing signs (only US nutters would seriously consider it) but about the equality of expression for those of traditional faith. Parents who object to "Jamie Has Two Mommies" or "Chris Has Two Daddies" type books in the school library get...

And so do you think it will now be ok for Christians to erect billboards quoting what the the Bible actuallys says about homosexuality, like so: You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. or Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received...

It has been shown that a variety of names/titles can add up to 666, so the next step would seem to be, consider all the other indicators that the Scriptures mention. Once you include the seven hills; the throne and great authority; sitting in the "temple of God" (which Paul calls the Church in...

Do you think it is possible that this is the "temple" that 2 Thes 2:4 is referring to? Eph 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus...

As a Trinitarian, can you define the difference between essence and substance; and between distinct and separate. (I got told off on another forum by an irate Trinitarian who said I was ignorant and confused the words. If you can help me understand, then I can go back and show him how clever I...

Are you saying the same thing as Thomas in post #52? Words like "person" and "essence" and "substance" do make my brain hurt! My understanding of God in the OT, and in the NT, does not require these concepts. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the...

I'm with you on this one. But here's a dilemma, in fact it's a situation that I know about: Two women living in a lesbian relationship have been jointly caring for the children of one of the women for many years. Should the mother's partner be able to legally adopt so that the children would not...

I believe Jehovah of the OT is Jesus of the NT. God's name under the old covenant was Jehovah. God's name under the new covenant is Jesus. So, which "person" overthrew Sodom? BTW, haven't you been told that it is very naughty to use the word "separate" when talking about the three persons ;)

A very interesting question to ask is, if the Jews were given the understanding that God is one Being/Person, can we understand God in the NT in the same way. Obviously many people can. To say that the Son talked to the Father, that makes two; there was a Man, a Dove, and a Voice at Jesus'...

Sorry, but no, I don't. Elhoim overthrew Sodom. Jehovah overthrew Sodom. (Deut 29:23) Jehovah and Elohim refer to the same person. Jehovah is His name. Elohim is what He is.

The problem with finding the Trinity in the OT is that you must look through the lens of the Trinity to find it. You are looking for what you want to find ... well, you always will!

So I'm wondering which person is the first-mentioned Jehovah and which person is the second-mentioned Jehovah ... and does the third person get a mention here? Could it not mean something like: "The president sent a message from the president to the troops." It tells us who sent the message...

Are you saying that you think "LORD" (Jehovah) means Jesus, and that "God" (Elohim) means the Trinity? .

That's exactly what worries me! Was the Church growing in spiritual understanding, or was the Truth gradually disappearing from the organised church? Later historical developments give me no confidence that the political church was on the path of greater understanding.

And the Jews missed the "we", "us" and "our"?

Calmed down yet? :) Most homosexual people I have encountered would argue in favour of their psychological/emotional orientation, rather than their sexual activity serving some specific purpose, as it appears to in the animal kingdom. The whole animal argument is moot however, because most...