if you go, why do you go?

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i was talking to a vicar friend of mine who was analysing why people go to her church and it seemed to me that there are a number of different reasons:

1. you like the closeness of it all, the feeling of belonging to a small, warm, family - it also helps if everyone else is going to hell and you are the only saved ones. *cough* mee *cough*

2. you like the connection with family or ethnicity or "heritage" or an opportunity to be with people from the same background. often goes with happy-clappy stuff or, in england, rather awkward dancing. or, as in my synagogue, homicidal ululation and sweet-throwing.

3. you like the feeling of belonging to a grand tradition, who like the power, majesty, glory, architecture, language, music and poetics of it all; your "smells & bells" lot - or some of the more refined sephardim.

4. you like the intellectual challenge of working out what is going on; or people who actually enjoy the sermon, i've heard that happens.

5. you're using the service as a spiritual exercise or workout or whatever. mystics, monastics and the sort of people that use the word "egregore".

6. you're going socially to see friends or family and have a good chat over the kiddush or whatever it is people do at church, tea and biscuits i dare say, you party animals you. often cannot be restrained until the service is over.

7. going to be seen, either to show off that damfool hat, sneer at other people's damfool hats, or so you can get your kid into the right school. mentioning no names, united synagogue.

8. you're going because it'll get you out of staying in the house with the kids, mentioning no names, mrs bb.

9. you're going not because you're especially interested, but because you're giving their kids a chance to "opt in".

10. you're going out of solidarity; with someone dead, so that grandma doesn't realise you're an atheist, for a celebration of some sort, with a group that's being supported. the sort of people that without fail make sure they turn up for remembrance sunday or yizkor at ashkenazi shuls on yom kippur.

11. you fancy someone else who goes. perhaps they'll shag you if you have something spiritual in common.

12. you're on a spiritual quest and are trying to work something out.

13. the awkward squad; people who are there so they can be offended by something in the sermon or by the other members of the congregation, or by the fact that it's too slow/fast/noisy/formal. will take the opportunity to vigorously complain afterwards. mentioning no names, oh no.

have i forgotten anything? how do you plead?

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
2. you like the connection with family or ethnicity or "heritage" or an opportunity to be with people from the same background. often goes with happy-clappy stuff or, in england, rather awkward dancing. or, as in my synagogue, homicidal ululation and sweet-throwing.

4. you like the intellectual challenge of working out what is going on; or people who actually enjoy the sermon, i've heard that happens.

12. you're on a spiritual quest and are trying to work something out.

have i forgotten anything? how do you plead?

b'shalom

bananabrain
I plead the above 2, 4, 12. First part of 2 only I don't subscribe to the 'you are going to hell' and its nice to be around folks of a similar mind...flip side, if I am in town I can't imagine anyplace I'd rather be on a Sunday morning, and if I am out of town, I find a church to attend...for same reasons, 2, 4, 12.

I get the tapes, like the talks (sermon, not really more like a college class lesson/discussion each week, with homework), sometimes listen to it 4 or 5 times in the course of a week...I truly enjoy the talks.

Of course I'm not often in service...I am with the teens...attempting to impart same to them.
 
I am surprised that I don't think any of those reflect the main reason I go! Some of them are part of the personal benefit though.

The main reason I go to church is to worship God in community. Christianity is a corporeal religion, more akin to a feast than to a one-on-one thing with God.


A second reason not mentioned is participation in the Eucharist, which can only be done in community.
 
I am surprised that I don't think any of those reflect the main reason I go! Some of them are part of the personal benefit though.

The main reason I go to church is to worship God in community. Christianity is a corporeal religion, more akin to a feast than to a one-on-one thing with God.


A second reason not mentioned is participation in the Eucharist, which can only be done in community.
Namaste Lunamoth,

The Eucharist can only be done in community...what does that mean, how many is community. Now I know in Judaism they need 10 for service, and then have the prayers over wine and bread which seems so much like bread and wine to me. But where does that fit with anytime two or more are gathered?
 
Namaste Lunamoth,

The Eucharist can only be done in community...what does that mean, how many is community. Now I know in Judaism they need 10 for service, and then have the prayers over wine and bread which seems so much like bread and wine to me. But where does that fit with anytime two or more are gathered?

Two can be a community. The Eucharist can't be performed by the Priest alone.
 
My dad goes to his catholic church every sunday without fail. This is despite his holding a firm, unshakeable belief that human beings were put on this earth by aliens.

His reason for going to church?

Simply that it gives him an hour out of his busy, secularised week to contemplate the spiritual.
 
i was talking to a vicar friend of mine who was analysing why people go to her church and it seemed to me that there are a number of different reasons...

Out of 10:

1 :: 0

2 :: -5 (I don't do 'happy-clappy')

3 :: +10 (I wonder if some 'sephardic' element crept into my Irish bloodline — there is a Spanish/Irish link. My dad could pass for Arab after a couple of days in the sun; one sister has married a Greek guy and his family reckon her more Greek than some of their own! (She does like to make a fuss.) Another has a daughter who now lives in Spain and, with flowing black locks, dark eyes (from her grandad/my dad) and a native husband, passes for pure Spanish! Me? I'm the spitting image of me dad ... think of Robert Mitchum, baggy eyed on a bad day, and half his height ... or a latter-day Peter Gabriel, minus the sex-appeal, although her indoors laughs hysterically when I mention either ... )

4 :: +9 — I sought out two things: a solemn mass, and a theology-based homily. It's a Dominican Priory (The Order of Preachers, so should be good) Another favourite is Brompton Oratory (of The Congregation of the Oratory — where I heard Eckhart preached from the pulpit!)

5 ::
Being a returning Catholic, I first sought out the Latin Mass of my youth, and the form with which I was most comfortable (and conformed).

Latin or vernacular, what I want is the sense of an engagement with a Mystery, and a proper solemnity.

The Mass is the Rite of the Eucharist, and the focus of the Eucharist is the Cross, on which the flesh and blood were raised up. Our redemption is in the blood that flowed from the pierced side of the Redeemer, and the People of God are those washed in the waters that flowed from that same wound.

So forgive me, but I find the 'happy-clappy' celebrations a self-serving and suspicious innovation. Furthermore, as the son of a musician, I find bad folk music, played badly, horrible.

Thomas
 
I go because it is a mutual effort to help us get out of Plato's cave in order to participate in human meaning and purpose beyond the psychological restrictions of cave life
 
Well before I got with my girfriend I know I used to go to church partly for the girls as do my friends. Me and my 3 closest friends used to wake up every sunday morning meet up and go to the Orthodox church which arn't that common in England mainly in populated areas of Greek Cypriots. We would go out on the saturday night mostly clubbing and joke about going church the next day for forgiveness! However I know that all of us make an effort to pray to God, ask for guidence, health, peace and happiness and to those around us which we openly encourage each other to do. Back when I lived in England not so long ago Church was a very community orientated place for me my family and my friends espcially being from a minority background.
 
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