Could God have been the cause of the Big Bang?

wil said:
Define G!d.
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"That which nothing greater can be thought" St Anselm.

St. Anselm's ontological argument says (roughly) that:
"God, by definition, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist."

From wiki (I know, I know ...)
A more elaborate version was given by Gottfried Leibniz; this is the version that Gödel studied and attempted to clarify with his ontological argument.

Gödel's ontological proof is a formal argument for God's existence by the mathematician Kurt Gödel. The first version of the ontological proof in Gödel's papers is dated "around 1941". Gödel is not known to have told anyone about his work on the proof until 1970, when he thought he was dying. In February, he allowed Dana Scott to copy out a version of the proof, which circulated privately. In August 1970, Gödel told Oskar Morgenstern that he was "satisfied" with the proof, but Morgenstern recorded in his diary entry for 29 August 1970, that Gödel would not publish because he was afraid that others might think "that he actually believes in God, whereas he is only engaged in a logical investigation (that is, in showing that such a proof with classical assumptions (completeness, etc.) correspondingly axiomatized, is possible)." Gödel died January, 14 1978. Another version, slightly different from Scott's, was found in his papers. It was finally published, together with Scott's version, in 1987.

Morgenstern's diary is an important and usually reliable source for Gödel's later years, but the implication of the August 1970 diary entry—that Gödel did not believe in God—is not consistent with the other evidence. In letters to his mother, who was not a churchgoer and had raised Kurt and his brother as freethinkers, Gödel argued at length for a belief in an afterlife. He did the same in an interview with a skeptical Hao Wang, who said: "I expressed my doubts as G spoke [...] Gödel smiled as he replied to my questions, obviously aware that his answers were not convincing me." Wang reports that Gödel's wife, Adele, two days after Gödel's death, told Wang that "Gödel, although he did not go to church, was religious and read the Bible in bed every Sunday morning." In an unmailed answer to a questionnaire, Gödel described his religion as "baptized Lutheran (but not member of any religious congregation). My belief is theistic, not pantheistic, following Leibniz rather than Spinoza."

Gödel left a fourteen-point outline of his philosophical beliefs in his papers. Points relevant to the ontological proof include:
4. There are other worlds and rational beings of a different and higher kind.
5. The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived.
13. There is a scientific (exact) philosophy and theology, which deals with concepts of the highest abstractness; and this is also most highly fruitful for science.
14. Religions are, for the most part, bad — but religion is not.

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God bless,

Thomas
 
Thomas said:
"God, by definition, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist."
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If God exists in reality, we could imagine Him to be greater by having His own TV show.

And yet he doesn't.

Therefore, God doesn't exist.

He isn't great enough to even have His own TV show.
 
Then Ozzy Osbourne is God!!

I know a few people who would agree with that. :)
 
keithzworld said:
Could God have been the cause of the Big Bang?
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Science does not have a convincing knowledge of what might have caused the BigBang. I think it is honest to say that we do not know the exact cause of the Big Bang or what preceded the Big Bang.

An unknown process or entity preceded or caused the Big Bang.

God is just a name given to that unknown process by English speaking Christians. Allah is another name. Dios, Deus, Dia, Gott, Brahma, The Great Spirit, or the Great Raven are names humans have invented as metaphor for the cause of the Big Bang.

In my case, I just say "I don't know the cause," or that it was an Unknown Cause. No definitions can be proven. And I prefer to not debate which of the causes named in the imagination of humans has any merit.

Honesty means admitting that nobody knows.

Amergin
 
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