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i have been reading an absolutely fascinating book:

Amazon.com: The Shia Revival: How Conflicts within Islam Will Shape the Future (9780393062113): Vali Nasr: Books

i would be very interested to hear how the sunni muslims here view shi'ism and vice-versa.

it seems to me that until islam can get to the same place that european christianity did (well, mostly) after the wars of religion - namely, that a pluralistic society in which the religious rights of people you consider to be hell-bound heretics are respected is the only workable answer, the middle east is doomed to the ongoing spiral of bloodshed and revenge. as a jew, i can't help but conclude that even in the absence of israel, this would still be a problem - present-day iraq being a case in point.

i'd very much like to hear your points of view.

was-salaam

bananabrain
 
Both Sunni and Shia accept the 5 pillars, so all are Muslim imo.

Obviously I would take issue with their ritual practices of self harm and how they treat the dead but this is between them and Allah (swt).

I think when talking about this subject we need to recognise the difference between spiritual and political leadership. We all know that many Muslim leaders were lacking in spirituality and would kill or imprison scholars, both Sunni and Shia, if they criticised the leadership. Had the spiritual leaders won out we may have seen an end to the Sunni/Shia split centuries ago.
 
There was a thead a while ago (me thinks not the ones listed at the bottom) by a fellow who pasted two long videos explaining the split and the relationship today...

The fellow I rode on the plane with Omar...could no longer live in Iraq as they are killing Omars, as that is the name of one of the people involved in the split.

I can't comprehend this....
 
wil said:
The fellow I rode on the plane with Omar...could no longer live in Iraq as they are killing Omars, as that is the name of one of the people involved in the split.

I can't comprehend this....
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It is incomprehensible Wil. :mad:
 
Thank you moonymoony a very interesting video, as I know virtually nothing of Shia.

Such a shame to see the comments from non-Muslims saying that's not what Muslims believe ... so stupid.
 
Does the Koran differ a great deal from the laws of Moses?
I've got a Koran but I've not had time to read it. I've read bits and pieces of it and what fansinates me it that all the Prophets of the Bible are in there. So if Christains, Jews and Muslims worship the same God, why don't they live in peace with one another?
 
What a great question peaceandkarma and I wish I could answer it.

You shall have no other Gods but me. Check

You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. Check

You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. Check

You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy. - For Jews Saturday, CHristians Sunday and Muslims Friday but we all have a Holy day. Check

Respect your father and mother. Check

You must not kill. Check

You must not commit adultery. Check

You must not steal. Check

You must not give false evidence against your neighbour. Check

You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour. Check
 
This is my whole point. Why do religious leaders seperate there followers? I can take positive inspiration from any religion. As the modern world has truly globalised with different peoples living together in different countries. The world economy is now dependant on a host of different countries, what happens in one effects the rest of the world. Now is surely the time to forget our differencies and co-operate with each other.
 
power and money? we're right so everyone else must be wrong?
 
the separation you see between the sunnis and the shia in the middle east is caused by the wahhabis who keep creating problems in different forms on a daily basis.

you will not see sunnis and shia separated in non-arab countries because the wahhabis there are inactive or dont have enough support to be active.

I dont have any problems with the sunnis. i have sunni friends and i love them very much. they are very nice and respectful.
 
the separation you see between the sunnis and the shia in the middle east is caused by the wahhabis who keep creating problems in different forms on a daily basis.
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really? it's *all* the fault of the wahhabis? what about the iranians? what about the situation in lebanon? you can hardly argue there's so much deal of saudi involvement up there, or that the shi'a are not equal participants in sectarian unrest.

you will not see sunnis and shia separated in non-arab countries because the wahhabis there are inactive or dont have enough support to be active.
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nonsense - what about pakistan? what about afghanistan?

I dont have any problems with the sunnis. i have sunni friends and i love them very much. they are very nice and respectful.
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that's good - we could do with more attitude like that - but don't you see that the ayatollahs you are quoting want exactly the same thing as the wahhabis? when they get their hands on power they are just as bad. unless you are prepared to stand up to the people *on your own side* who want sectarian conflict you are part of the problem.

was-salaam

bananabrain
 
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