Zoroastrian Concepts vs. PIE. and Abrahamic Concepts

[mojobadshah]

The Proto-Indo-Europeans were the hypothetical common ancestors of all the Indo-European people including the Iranians, Indians, Greeks, Romans, Celts, Germans, Armenians, Balto-Slavs, and Albanians. Proto-Indo-European or PIE. mythology is a reconstruction based on all the attested Indo-European literature. For the most part, the mythological literature of all the Indo-European language subfamilies contain slight variations of conceptual components that descended from the same source except for Iranian subfamily which bears mythological components that were never before heard of as far as the evidence can show, and are therefore original to the heritage of the Iranian people. In other words the conceptual components of Iranian mythology are not just slight variations of the mythology common to the Indo-European people (e.g. a different name for the same personage or an afterlife in the sky instead of an afterlife in the underworld), rather, these conceptual components were a mystery to the non-Iranian corpus of Indo-European mythology.

Iranian Concepts vs. IE. Concepts

1. the existence of only one God vs. the existence of many gods
2. semi-divine beings or Angels bearing personal names vs. pantheism
3. a Devil and demons or adversaries of God vs. gods that lacked morality
4. the Incarnate Word vs. absence of an Incarnate Word
5. the existence of a Soul that bears one's good and bad deeds in this world and the next vs. the souls of the dead
6. the Kingdom of Heaven [within] vs. a paradisiacal realm located somewhere on the physical plain
7. Heaven and Hell in the afterlife contingent upon one's good or bad deeds vs. the kingdom of the dead
8. the Resurrection vs. absence of a Resurrection
9. a final battle at the end of the world when good eliminates evil and the good and the redeemed carry out their existence in heaven on earth or Judgment Day vs. the continual destruction and rebirth of the world

The Hebrew Bible on the other hand shares the conceptual components original to the Iranian heritage. The Hebrew Bible can be divided into two phases 1.) the pre-Exilic period or the period before the Jews were taken into their Babylonian Captivity and 2.) the post Exilic period or the period during which the Jews had been liberated from their Babylonian Captivity by the Persian Empire and had been living side by side the Persians or Iranian people. It is evident that the conceptual components these two peoples shared are original to the Iranian heritage and not the authors of the Hebrew Bible because these concepts do not appear during the first or pre-Exilic period of the Hebrew Bible. They only appear in the Hebrew Bible during the latter or post-Exilic period.

Iranian Concepts vs. Pre-Exilic Concepts of the Hebrew Bible

1. the existence of only one God vs. the existence of many Gods
2. angels or semi-divine messengers bearing personal names vs. messengers that share God's divine status absent of personal names
3. the Devil or adversary of God vs. an emissary of God who God sends to test men
4. demons vs. absence of demonology
5. the Messiah vs. absence of a Messiah
6. the Incarnate Word vs. absence of an Incarnate Word
7. the existence of a Soul to bear one's good and bad deeds vs. spiritual existence
8. Kingdom of Heaven [within] vs. material prosperity
9. a Heaven and a Hell in the afterlife contingent upon one's good and bad deeds vs. the grave
10. the Resurrection vs. absence of the Resurrection
11. a final battle at the end of the world when good eliminates evil and the good and the redeemed carry out their existence in heaven on earth or Judgment Day vs. absence of a Judgment Day

Iranian Concepts vs. Post-Exilic Concepts of the Hebrew Bible

1. the existence of only one God
2. angels or semi-divine messengers bearing personal names
3. the Devil or adversary of God vs. wicked kings
4. demons
5. the Messiah
6. the Incarnate Word vs. absence of an Incarnate Word
7. the existence of a Soul to bear one's good and bad deeds vs. spiritual existence
8. Kingdom of Heaven [within] vs. material prosperity
9. a Heaven and a Hell in the afterlife contingent upon one's good and bad deeds vs. the grave
10. the Resurrection vs. absence of the Resurrection
11. a final battle at the end of time when God and the Messiah destroy the Devil and his miscreations, and the good carry out their immortality in a heavenly existence or Judgment Day vs. absence of Judgment Day

The New Testament also shares the conceptual components original the Iranian heritage. As in the case with the authors of the Hebrew Bible it is also evident that the conceptual components of the literature that the Iranian people and the authors of the New Testament share are original to the Iranian heritage and were transmitted via the Jews who were responsible for the establishment of Christianity.

Shared Iranian - New Testament Concepts

1. one God
2. angels or semi-divine messengers bearing personal names
3. the Devil or adversary of God
4. demons
5. the Messiah
6. the Incarnate Word
7. the existence of a Soul to bear one's good and bad deeds vs. spiritual existence
8. Kingdom of Heaven [within]
9. a Heaven and a Hell in the afterlife contingent upon one's good and bad deeds
10. the Resurrection
11. a final battle at the end of time when God and the Messiah destroy the Devil and his miscreations, eliminating evil, and the good carry out their immortality in a heavenly existence or Judgment Day

Do I got this right?

 

[mojobadshah]

correction:

Shared Iranian - New Testament Concepts

7. the existence of a Soul to bear one's good and bad deeds

 

[mojobadshah]

correction:

Iranian Concepts vs. IE. Concepts

9. a final battle at the end of time when God and the Messiah destroy the Devil and his miscreations, and the good carry out their immortality in a heavenly existence or Judgment Day vs. a final battle between the Gods that leads to the continual destruction and rebirth of the world and humanity

Iranian Concepts vs. Pre-Exilic Concepts of the Hebrew Bible

11. a final battle at the end of time when God and the Messiah destroy the Devil and his miscreations, and the good carry out their immortality in a heavenly existence or Judgment Day vs. absence of a Judgment Day

 

[mojobadshah]

Iranian Concepts vs. IE. Concepts

3.5 a deliverer who is predetermined to fulfill God's plan or the Messiah vs. the Hero who is aided by the Gods on his quest

 

[Amergin]

I thought you meant Pi, the mathematical constant for circle radius and circumference, π.

I brings up a famous error in the Bible.

“And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it about.” (I Kings 7, 23)

The same mathematical error can be found in II Chronicles 4, 2. It occurs in a list of specifications for the great temple of Solomon, built around 950 BC and its interest here is that it gives ? = 3.

That was about 900 BCE, yet the Jews did not know the mathematical factor of π. Egyptian and Mesopotamian values of 25/8 = 3.125 and ?10 = 3.162 have been traced to much earlier dates than Solomon’s pool. So the so-called inspired words of the Bible are WRONG.

The first theoretical calculation seems to have been carried out by Archimedes of Syracuse (287-212 BC). He obtained the approximation designated π. 223/71 < π < 22/7.

If we take his best estimate as the average of his two bounds we obtain 3.1418, an error of about 0.0002.

Conclusion: the bible is less accurate than the knowledge of older Mesopotamians and Egyptians and less accurate than the Greeks at the time of Archimedes.

Amergin

 

[bob x]

The notion of "One God" (whether in the strictly "monotheist" sense that all other deities are unreal, or in the "henotheist" sense that one God is supreme over all others) was only found in Iran. Your list of 11 points that you claim that the "post-exilic Hebrew Bible" contained is almost exclusively stuff that is not found anywhere in the Hebrew texts, neither in the early nor the late texts; only in what is called "inter-testamental literature", books that were written in the late centuries BCE and were generally not considered "scripture" by anybody (or perhaps were included as scripture by some, such as "Enoch" which is canonical in Ethiopia but nowhere else, but never in mainstream Judaism) but do show the development of heavily Persianized variants of Judaism which were the backdrop of early Christianity.