Can you explain his answer to my post

[lover454]

I posted on Interfaith forums how I do my spells. And a member answered good way to do magic spells but he also said that I should "get freaky" when I create the magic spells on the computer and in addition I should use psychodrama when I do my spells on the computer but he never explained how to incorporate his suggestions. Can you tell me what you think he means. I cannot get a straight answer from him.

Here is how I do my spells:
This is how I do my spells. I copy and paste from the Internet a poem or lyric that represents my spell onto Microsoft Word or a computer graphic program. Then I copy clip art from the computer from the Internet on to the spell page (either on Microsoft or one of my clip art pages) I have open and save it on the computer and then close the document. I used to print them out but replacing cartridges got to be too expensive so I type this line at the end of the spell: "This spell will start to work immediately And this is a plea to the goddesses and gods to make magic happen SO mote it be and this magic spell does not have to be printed out to work"

I only do this when I create the spell on Microsoft Word, I copy and paste the spell over and over on the same page so the same spell is appearing on the 8 1/2 by 11 page three times instead of once this way it makes it stronger. I dont do this on the computer graphics - wont work

I use Microsoft Word word when I don't have to put graphic(s) and/or name(s) on top of each other. I use the graphic program when I have to put graphic(s) and/or name(s) on top of each other (SUPERIMPOSE).

I feel that it is the belief in the spell that will make it work, not so much burying it, or printing it out or lighting candles.

 

[desert-rat]

I think what you need to do is understand the other systems. Freak out and psycho drama , you got me also on these. Get the books the secret and creative visualization , I think I posted isbn numbers before , and read them . This should give you some ideas . Hear is a link to an i.m. sec. of another forum , that may give some ideas also. Intention-Manifestation desert rat

 

[Etu Malku]

Psychodrama is a method of psychotherapy in which clients are encouraged to continue and complete their actions through dramatization, role playing and dramatic self-presentation. A number of scenes are enacted, depicting, for example memories of specific happenings in the past, unfinished situations, inner dramas, fantasies, dreams, preparations for future risk-taking situations, or unrehearsed expressions of mental states in the here and now. These scenes either approximate real-life situations or are externalizations of inner mental processes.

Freak Out was intended to mean, 'let it all out' 'be overly enthusiastic' 'get a little crazy'

The point being that ritual and ceremonial magick is a process of dramatically opening up the subconscious, waking up the unconscious, and bringing hidden information from these areas to consciousness.

Creating a Change in the objective universe through focused and extended Will (Magick) is never done by reciting a bunch of words and waving a wand so to speak. It is accomplished by first making a Change in the Self and unleashing this Self into the real world to slowly create this Change.

 

[lover454]

I dont recite words. I create the words on the computer and match the situation (spell) with graphics. This proves my point on other posts - no one can say there is one way to do spells. The way I do them is right for me, and the way both of you do it is right for you.

People who cast spells are human - plain and simple. People who cast spells are not Gods/Goddesses. So again I say there is no right or wrong way to cast spells.

 

[lover454]

To Etu Malku - This sentence can be done any way the person choses to do their spell. Here is what you wrote: "The point being that ritual and ceremonial magick is a process of dramatically opening up the subconscious, waking up the unconscious, and bringing hidden information from these areas to consciousness."

You unlock your subconscious and the unconscious by how you create your spells, the way you concentrate on your spells when creating them. The way you do it you are concentrating, the way I create them I am concentrating and unlocking and waking up.

 

[desert-rat]

Psychodrama is a method of psychotherapy in which clients are encouraged to continue and complete their actions through dramatization, role playing and dramatic self-presentation. A number of scenes are enacted, depicting, for example memories of specific happenings in the past, unfinished situations, inner dramas, fantasies, dreams, preparations for future risk-taking situations, or unrehearsed expressions of mental states in the here and now. These scenes either approximate real-life situations or are externalizations of inner mental processes.

Freak Out was intended to mean, 'let it all out' 'be overly enthusiastic' 'get a little crazy'

The point being that ritual and ceremonial magick is a process of dramatically opening up the subconscious, waking up the unconscious, and bringing hidden information from these areas to consciousness.

Creating a Change in the objective universe through focused and extended Will (Magick) is never done by reciting a bunch of words and waving a wand so to speak. It is accomplished by first making a Change in the Self and unleashing this Self into the real world to slowly create this Change.

I see this as more of a therapy than ritual magic. I do see its value. We all create our own realty. If we have a lot of repressed crap . beliefs , ect. that stuff must be dealt with. desert rat

 

[desert-rat]

To lover454 , there are many methods of manifesting what you want. Many people use prayer. Try your system , if it works , fine , if not modify it , if it still dont work try one of the more common methods. desert rat

 

[lover454]

To desert-rat I agree with what you said which is as follows: "I see this as more of a therapy than ritual magic. desert rat"

No I am not questioning my method I believe in it very strongly.

 

[Etu Malku]

I see this as more of a therapy than ritual magic. I do see its value. We all create our own realty. If we have a lot of repressed crap . beliefs , ect. that stuff must be dealt with. desert rat

Could you explain a little about how you see this as therapy?

 

[desert-rat]

In your own text it states , "psychodrama is a method of psychotherapy " . As I see this method you are using it to reslove repressed subconscious material . There are other methods , yoga , deep breathing , ect. A good book is emotional clearing , isbn 0-9629295-0-6 desert rat

 

[lover454]

Desert-rat I agree with you totally.

 

[Etu Malku]

In your own text it states , "psychodrama is a method of psychotherapy " . As I see this method you are using it to reslove repressed subconscious material . There are other methods , yoga , deep breathing , ect. A good book is emotional clearing , isbn 0-9629295-0-6 desert rat

I'm sorry,

"psychodrama is a method of psychotherapy "

is from a definition of Psychodrama in a medical book, it is NOT my words and therefore not my reasoning in full.

Perhaps I have created confusion with all of this, excuse me.

The truth behind all ritual and ceremony is the fact that the Initiate needs to be set into a trance and the unconscious mind shaken up. The further you are developed in this field the less external material is needed.

Make no mistake that the Archetypal mind from which ALL gods, devils, angels, demons, etc. make their home, are NOT a form of repressed memory.

I am a 50 year old practitioner of the occult sciences and one who is very astute in ritual and ceremony, along with all its psychological baggage and explanation.

I have directed "lover454" towards several paths of ritual and psychology, whether she absorbs this wisdom and makes the effort to execute her Will into the Objective Universe is up to her.

 

[lover454]

I always include the universe but what I am saying there are so many ways to do spells and there are so many beliefs in how to do them and why the spell is being done. And for this reason I feel the only right way and the right reason to do spells is the way the person casting the spell feels the right way and the right reason is. Your way is right for you and the reasons are right for you, but my way is right for me and my reasons are right for me.

 

[Etu Malku]

I always include the universe but what I am saying there are so many ways to do spells and there are so many beliefs in how to do them and why the spell is being done. And for this reason I feel the only right way and the right reason to do spells is the way the person casting the spell feels the right way and the right reason is. Your way is right for you and the reasons are right for you, but my way is right for me and my reasons are right for me.

I certainly agree with you on this, but your statement is a far cry from your initial calamity over creating 'spells' on the computer. Could you elaborate on this association please?

 

[lover454]

How is it a far cry of how I create my spells? How is my statement a far cry from my initial calmity over creating spells on the computer? I dont understand.

 

[Etu Malku]

How is it a far cry of how I create my spells? How is my statement a far cry from my initial calmity over creating spells on the computer? I dont understand.

Me thinks you have totally confused your original post and what you are trying to accomplish. I have given you ample information both here and in private towards your better understanding of ritual work.

I wish you well on your Path

 

[lover454]

to etu malku no i am not confused at all, please refrain from telling me how I feel and what I know

 

[Etu Malku]

I always include the universe but what I am saying there are so many ways to do spells and there are so many beliefs in how to do them and why the spell is being done. And for this reason I feel the only right way and the right reason to do spells is the way the person casting the spell feels the right way and the right reason is. Your way is right for you and the reasons are right for you, but my way is right for me and my reasons are right for me.

Excuse me if upset you with my comments.

Indeed there are thousands of books on 'spells' (by which I think you mean rituals?), yet there is only one process to which the Ritual is extended by Will into the objective universe (material world).

 

[desert-rat]

Lover454 , if you are using a spell of your own creation , then you are on your own . The best thing to do ,as has been stated before is to understand the other systems . In the time we have been discussing this on this forum , you could of read through several books . You may need to try different methods to see what works for you . There is a lot of info on the net , or you may need to find a new age book store , or the library . desert rat

 

[seattlegal]

Psychodrama is a method of psychotherapy in which clients are encouraged to continue and complete their actions through dramatization, role playing and dramatic self-presentation. A number of scenes are enacted, depicting, for example memories of specific happenings in the past, unfinished situations, inner dramas, fantasies, dreams, preparations for future risk-taking situations, or unrehearsed expressions of mental states in the here and now. These scenes either approximate real-life situations or are externalizations of inner mental processes.

Freak Out was intended to mean, 'let it all out' 'be overly enthusiastic' 'get a little crazy'

The point being that ritual and ceremonial magick is a process of dramatically opening up the subconscious, waking up the unconscious, and bringing hidden information from these areas to consciousness.

Creating a Change in the objective universe through focused and extended Will (Magick) is never done by reciting a bunch of words and waving a wand so to speak. It is accomplished by first making a Change in the Self and unleashing this Self into the real world to slowly create this Change.

Hmm, would the various Earth Diver Mythos be a sort of symbolic psychodrama framework fitting this description?

Creation myth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

{Earth Diver dives down through the primordial waters (consciousness?) trying to find something of substance (Earth) to bring back to rebuild the world with.}