Tradition

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TRADITION

A gem or three from Frithjof Schuon:
Tradition speaks to man in the language he can understand, provided he be willing to listen; this reservation is essential, for tradition cannot become bankrupt; it is rather of man’s bankruptcy that one should speak, for it is he who has lost the intuition of the supernatural and the sense of the sacred.

Man has allowed himself to become seduced by the discoveries and inventions of an increasingly totalitarian science; that is, a science which does not recognize its own limits and for that reason is unaware of what lies beyond them. Fascinated by scientific phenomena as well as by the erroneous conclusions he draws from them, man has ended up being submerged
by his own creations; he is not ready to realize that a traditional message is situated on an altogether different level, and how much more real this level is. Men let themselves be dazzled all the more easily since scientism gives them all the excuses they want to justify their attachment to the world of appearances and thus also their flight before the presence of the Absolute in any form. (The Play of Masks, "No Initiative without Truth")
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Tradition in the proper sense has nothing pejorative about it in itself, there is however a certain arbitrariness which seeks to devalue its meaning, by insinuating the idea of “nostalgia for the past”.

Those who look back longingly at some past age because it embodied certain vital values are reproached for adhering to these values because they are found in the past, or because one would like to situate them there “irreversibly”. One might as well say that the acceptance of an arithmetical proof is the sign, not of the unimpaired functioning of the intelligence, but of a morbid obsession with numbers. If to recognize what is true and just is “nostalgia for the past,” it is quite clearly a crime or a disgrace not to feel this nostalgia.

The same goes for other accusations prompted by the idea of tradition, such as those of “romanticism,” “aestheticism,” or “folklore”; far from disclaiming any affinity with these things, we adopt them in the precise measure that they have a relationship either with tradition or with virgin nature, restoring to them in consequence their legitimate and, at the very least, innocent meanings. For “beauty is the splendor of the true”; and since it is possible to be capable of perceiving this without lacking “seriousness,” to say the least, we do not feel obliged to offer excuses for being particularly sensitive to this aspect of the Real. (Logic and Transcendence, Introduction)
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God bless,

Thomas
 
"Yes, yes, thank you very much, Mr Boyce!"
(This in a Dr Statham (Mark Heap) voice — and if you haven't seen Green Wing :eek:, then do not waste another moment!) :D
 
is that dr statham during his "G!D's a sod" phase or "surreptitiously bringing her to climax with a breadstick" or dressed as a gladiator? and if that's what you have in mind, i'm not sure i ever want to meet you in real life.

green wing... genius. and filmed in north london, too!

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
I can trace one of my traditions to 4,000 BC. The sacred thread worn by hindus and zoroastrians. It is an imitation of Orion's Belt, when the Aryan year began on vernal equinox and the sun rose in the asterism of Orion. The mantra (it was written much later than the start of the tradition) says:

"Yajnopavitam paramam pavitram, Prajapatyeryat sahajam purastat"
(Yajnopavita is very sacred, it was born with Prajapati* of the old).

Prajapati: Supreme God, Lord of the people. Orion was considered the symbol of Prajapati and one who established the seasons.
 
bananabrain said:
is that dr statham during his "G!D's a sod" phase or "surreptitiously bringing her to climax with a breadstick" or dressed as a gladiator?
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All of the above.

bananabrain said:
and if that's what you have in mind, i'm not sure i ever want to meet you in real life.
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Well you know where to avoid! ;)

bananabrain said:
green wing... genius.
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I've told my better arf and me girls that he's my role model for old age ... they're moving away, too ... strange ...
 
Aupmanyav said:
I can trace one of my traditions to 4,000 BC. The sacred thread worn by hindus and zoroastrians. It is an imitation of Orion's Belt, when the Aryan year began on vernal equinox and the sun rose in the asterism of Orion. The mantra (it was written much later than the start of the tradition) says:

"Yajnopavitam paramam pavitram, Prajapatyeryat sahajam purastat"
(Yajnopavita is very sacred, it was born with Prajapati* of the old).

Prajapati: Supreme God, Lord of the people. Orion was considered the symbol of Prajapati and one who established the seasons.
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Thanks for that.

God bless

Thomas
 
Thomas said:
"Yes, yes, thank you very much, Mr Boyce!"
(This in a Dr Statham (Mark Heap) voice — and if you haven't seen Green Wing :eek:, then do not waste another moment!) :D
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And the Lord spoke to his people in a deep, resonant, well-modulated voice and He said 'There are Two Series that one shall watch. What are these Two? The first is called Green Wing. The second is called Early Doors.'

And lo, the people watched the Two and they said unto the Lord (in trembling but certain voices) 'Those Two are indeed the Funniest.'

And the Lord saw that his people had been amused and He was pleased.
 
Early Doors — now there's one that slipped under the radar, and deserved a lot more attention.

Of course, the big names are 'Big Train' and "Spaced'.

Did you ever catch Sean Lock's "15 Storeys High"?

Thomas
 
Yes, yes ... in passing, Tamsin Greig will always be Debbie Archer to me.

Any views on The Rev?

what about current stuff? Mock The Week? 8 out of of Ten Cats? Would I lie to you?

... not that I'm a comedy tart, or anything ...
 
bananabrain said:
"the thick of it".

b'shalom

bananabrain
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Ah yes! With that quite marvellous catchphrase 'come the fuck in or fuck the fuck off.'

I believe they employed a swearologist. Armando is a comic genius.
 
Thomas said:
Yes, yes ... in passing, Tamsin Greig will always be Debbie Archer to me.

Any views on The Rev?

what about current stuff? Mock The Week? 8 out of of Ten Cats? Would I lie to you?

... not that I'm a comedy tart, or anything ...
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Nor me.

Watching Mock new series and it is generally a very pale shadow of when a certain red-haired Scot hogged it. Boyle made the other comics laugh... I think that says it all.
 
This is it... right here. Tradition without a reason holds zero weight for me.

Of course we all determine, calculate or justify our reason for traditions we wish to keep...

But they are few and far between for me. Now I gotta seek traditions I can find some reason to keep beyond utilitarian, logical and because.
 
wil said:
Tradition without a reason holds zero weight for me.
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Perhaps the older ancestors sensed and saw more than we do in our materialistic society, blinded by city lights?
 
tradition is the result of experiment done ages ago and which proved successful. traditions should be valued. tradition does not conflict with science.
 
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RJM said:
Perhaps the older ancestors sensed and saw more than we do in our materialistic society, blinded by city lights?
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Yes...the advent of electricity would make a tradition regarding the need for candlemakers...
Aupmanyav said:
tradition is the result of experiment done ages ago and which proved successful. traditions should be valued. tradition does not conflict with science.
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It is the way we always have done it...throwing trash into the ocean or over cliff. Tossing the chamber pot out the window...
 
wil said:
It is the way we always have done it...throwing trash into the ocean or over cliff. Tossing the chamber pot out the window...
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LOL, "Always with the negative waves, Moriarty." (Oddball to his crewman, Kelly's Heroes)
 
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