Veganism and the Bible

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Genesis 1:29Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

In the garden of eden animals were clearly not given for food. When the fall occurred adam and eve had to leave the garden. The only mention of eating meat comes after the fall. My reasoning is that if the garden of eden is where we want to get back to and there is no meat eating there, isn't that a good biblical argument for veganism? What are your thoughts?
 
I've known many that have argued that... But as I see it, the bible is such that darn near any viewpoint can be argued (and has, from polygamy, to slavery, to denying civil rights of blacks, denying women the vote...all 'biblical') Somewhere I have the book of Daniel raw cookbook...

and now a word from PETA...

1. “And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” —Genesis 1:30

2. “But Daniel resolved that he would not defile himself with the royal rations of food and wine … Then Daniel asked … ‘Let us be given vegetables to eat and water to drink.’ … At the end of ten days it was observed that they appeared better and fatter than all the young men who had been eating the royal rations.” —Daniel 1:8, 11–12, 15

3. “The wolf and the lamb shall feed together; the lion shall eat straw like an ox; but the serpent—its food shall be dust! They shall not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain.” —Isaiah 65:25

4. “But ask the animals, and they will teach you; the birds of the air, and they will tell you.” —Job 12:7

5. “The righteous know the needs of their animals, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.” —Proverbs 12:10

6. “He gives to the animals their food, and to the young ravens when they cry.” —Psalms 147:9

7. “I will make for you a covenant on that day with the wild animals, the birds of the air, and the creeping things of the ground; and I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the land; and I will make you lie down in safety.” —Hosea 2:18

8. “How long will the land mourn, and the grass of every field wither? For the wickedness of those who live in it the animals and the birds are swept away, and because people said, ‘He is blind to our ways.'” —Jeremiah 12:4

9. “Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten in God’s sight.” —Luke 12:6

10. “Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O Lord.” —Psalms 36:6

11. “Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.” —Matthew 5:7



Read more: 11 Bible Quotes That Are Telling You to Go Vegan | Other | Living | PETA
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In my belief system, the permission to eat meat derives from Genesis 9:3 (after the flood): "Every moving thing that lives, for you shall be for food; like the green herbiage I have given you everything." Subsequent verses add some restrictions.

That doesn't mean that I have to eat meat, but if I were to suggest that eating meat is morally wrong, that would be equivalent to saying that the Bible is wrong.
 
How about the scripture above from Hosea, Psalms, Mathew etc.

Which part of the bible are you saying is wrong? Contradictions for folks do abound...and each has their own justification for their beliefs and actions.

That is what makes it fun!
 
Dan0813 said:
In my belief system, the permission to eat meat derives from Genesis 9:3 (after the flood): "Every moving thing that lives, for you shall be for food; like the green herbiage I have given you everything." Subsequent verses add some restrictions.

That doesn't mean that I have to eat meat, but if I were to suggest that eating meat is morally wrong, that would be equivalent to saying that the Bible is wrong.
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My point exactly.
The garden of eden is meat free so don't we want to get back there? Remember the story that adam and eve were kicked out of the garden so their meat consumption is NOT in that garden.
 
Metaphysical meaning of Eden (mbd)
Eden, e'-den (Heb.)--sensible duration; time; pleasure; delight; pleasantness.

a The name of the place where, we are told, God put the first man and woman--Adam and Eve (Gen. 2:8; Isa. 51:3; Ezek. 28:13). b A place that i8 prophesied against (Amos 1:5; Ezek. 27:23; see II Kings 19:12 also). c A man named Eden. a Levite, is mentioned in II Chronicles 29:12.

The Hebrew "Gan heden" commonly rendered Garden of Eden is a compound of surpassing greatness. The word Gan means any organized sphere of activity, a garden, a body, a world, a universe. The word Heden, Eden, means a time, a season, an age, an eternity, as well as beauty, pleasure, an ornament, a witness. Thus it can be seen that only the most limited and restricted material acceptation would bring this remarkable word down to a small, hedged-in inclosure, a small area somewhere in Asia where the human race first emerged from the dust of this planet.

Meta. A pleasant, harmonious, productive state of consciousness in which are all possibilities of growth. When man is expressing in harmony with Divine Mind, bringing forth the qualities of Being in divine order, he dwells in Eden, or instate of bliss in a harmonious body.

The "garden" symbolizes the spiritual body in which man dwells when he brings forth his thoughts after the original divine ideas. This garden is the substance of God (Eden) or state of perfect relation of ideas to Being. The Garden of Eden is the divine consciousness. Having developed a consciousness apart from his divine nature, man must "till the ground from whence he was taken," that is, he must come into a realization of God as the source of his Being and must express ideas in harmony with Divine Mind. Wisdom and love are joined in God, and a perfect balance is struck in consciousness between knowing and feeling when man spiritualizes his thoughts.
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Metaphysical meaning of Eden (mbd) | TruthUnity
 
donnann said:
My reasoning is that if the garden of eden is where we want to get back to and there is no meat eating there, isn't that a good biblical argument for veganism?
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I see. Perhaps that is why Christians are not too enthusiastic about it. Look at Muslims. They do not have this condition, and every Muslim wants to go there ASAP.
 
wil said:
Every Muslim? This kind of generalization is what leads to bigotry eh?
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Sure, every theist wants to go to heaven irrespective of his faith. Of course, only martyrs are eligible for business class and 72 houris.
 
wil said:
If you find it does it say how old they are or what sex?
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They are young. Probably 9 years to 13 years, of both sexes.

Qur'anic description:
Houri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The houri have variously been described as being "restraining their glances (chaste)", "modest gaze", "wide and beautiful/lovely eyes", "like pearls", "spouse", "companions of equal age", "splendid", "voluptuous", and much more besides."
Houri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia contains many, including those in Qur'an.

Thus shall it be. And We shall pair them with companions pure, most beautiful of eye.
—Quran, sura 44 (Ad-Dukhan), ayah 54
[There the blest will live with their] companions pure and modest, in pavilions [splendid]
—Quran, sura 55, (Ar-Rahman), ayah 72
reclining on couches [of happiness] ranged in rows!" And [in that paradise] We shall mate them with companions pure, most beautiful of eye
—Quran, sura 52 (At-Tur), ayah 20

Interested? :)
 
Again...no 72 virgins in the Quran eh? and according to the link they are available to all that go to heaven, not just martyrs..

So what they are describing is a dreamworld... the glories of heaven... me interested? No, I don't believe in it.... all this is utilized by two groups of people...the radicals that attempt to insight people to violence dangling this bs as a prize and those that are anti-Islamic who repeat it..

have we strayed far enough from veganism in the bible yet? Has your derailing thread agenda been met?
 
I came across some interesting material on vegitarianism and the Bible in a book I have. I assume it's ok, copyright-wise, to post an image of a scanned page (or two or three) from a book, as long as I state the source? If so, I will do that "in due course".
 
I've been researching this within the context of Judaism. It's clear that eating meat is permitted, but some sources suggest that refraining from eating meat is desirable. I don't have enough information yet to have an authoritative answer (from my belief system) to the question posed in the original post.
 
I know Jewish and Christian veggies that use bible references to validate/support their dietary restrictions...

that being said, as we have already seen there are the omnivores that do the same thing, tis the blessing of the bible, you can find scripture to support just about any position...or so my concubines conclude.
 
In the case of Judaism, one practical argument in favor of meat-eating is the need for various animal byproducts to perform required rituals. E.g., a Torah scroll must be made from parchment, tefillin (small boxes worn during morning prayers) must have leather covers, a shofar (ram's horn) must be blown on Rosh Hashanah.

If meat-eating become politically incorrect and discouraged or outlawed, then obtaining these other animal products would probably become very difficult.

Maybe this applies to other religions too.
 
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