Why can't we all get along?

[wil]

What will it take?

Or is it just not in our nature?

I am NOT talking here, in this forum, but rather the world, all religions all nations, al people.

But we do need to start here ...if we expect it to happen elsewhere

 

[muhammad_isa]

@wil

There is no dark side to the moon really .. matter of fact, it is all dark

 

[RJM]

What will it take?

Or is it just not in our nature?

I am NOT talking here, in this forum, but rather the world, all religions all nations, al people.

But we do need to start here ...if we expect it to happen elsewhere

Jack: Your religion is wrong

Pete: You know this how?

Jack: My book from God tells me so

 

[RJM]

Pete: What do you really know about my religion?

Jack: That it's wrong

Pete: Have you studied my religion or read the scripture?

Jack: Don't need to. My book from God tells me all I need to know.

 

[RJM]

Pete: Well that's fine you're entitled to your opinion

Jack: No that's not fine. I have to convince you that what you believe is wrong.

Pete: Why can't you quietly just get on with your own religion, and with what you believe?

Jack: Sorry, it doesn't work like that.

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

What will it take?

Or is it just not in our nature?

I am NOT talking here, in this forum, but rather the world, all religions all nations, al people.

But we do need to start here ...if we expect it to happen elsewhere

Personally I see all things are made new and as such our nature is now inclined to embracing our oneness.

The question you ask has been answered by the Message of Baha'u'llah and is being implemented throughout the entire planet in all Nations. The process started in AD1844, or AH1260.

"The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens."

"Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind"

Peace will only possible when the world eventually submits to what that Message contains and in these early years, that does not mean that many will identify as being Baha'i, but it does mean that many will embrace the principals needed to embrace unity as one people on one planet.

Baha'u'llah has made it very clear that all Faith is from the One God. The realisation that we are one people under one God is the Elixer.

Every problem has been offered a solution. We have been told what our disunity will reap upon humanuty as a whole. The following words of Bahá’u’lláh are indeed significant as we pause to reflect upon the present state of a strangely disordered world:

“How long will humanity persist in its waywardness? How long will injustice continue? How long is chaos and confusion to reign amongst men? How long will discord agitate the face of society? The winds of despair are, alas, blowing from every direction, and the strife that divides and afflicts the human race is daily increasing. The signs of impending convulsions and chaos can now be discerned, inasmuch as the prevailing order appears to be lamentably defective.”

What a great day we live in!

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Pete: What do you really know about my religion?

Jack: That it's wrong

Pete: Have you studied my religion or read the scripture?

Jack: Don't need to. My book from God tells me all I need to know.

Luckily all this has been answered and thus we draw our thoughts from those answers.

"The fundamental purpose animating the Faith of God and His Religion is to safeguard the interests and promote the unity of the human race, and to foster the spirit of love and fellowship amongst men. Suffer it not to become a source of dissension and discord, of hate and enmity. - Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 215.

"Through our ignorance and lack of viewpoint we divide this common home, we divide the members of this family into various races, we divide religion into different sects and then with those suppositional divisions we wage war against one another; we shed one another's blood and we pillage one another's possessions. Is not this unpardonable ignorance? Is this not the height of injustice? - Abdu'l-Baha, Divine Philosophy, p. 178.

Those writings cover your 3 posts.

Regards Tony

 

[muhammad_isa]

Pete: Why can't you quietly just get on with your own religion, and with what you believe?

That is not a very productive sort of discourse though, is it.
If we all live a segregated existence [ which is what happens to some extent, in the big cities in UK ],
we all stay in our ignorance, and suspect each other of harboring ill-will etc.
..and when some world event happens, we get rioting or hate-crimes etc.

I much prefer a society where we can all interact, and not resent other people's opinions.
If I never come out of the Islam forum, and nobody hardly comes in there, what do we achieve?

 

[muhammad_isa]

@RJM Corbet

It makes no sense to me that somebody should expect not to have their religion criticised by others
on a forum like this.
I'm on another forum as well [ as @RabbiO can affirm ], and Islam is ALWAYS being heavily criticised.

I get it. You don't like it. Funnily enough, it doesn't bother me when Islam is criticised.
What I object to, is people being rude, and slandering Almighty God .. or Jesus .. or Muhammad etc.

 

[RJM]

Jack: My book from God is right and what you believe is wrong

Pete: I don't agree

Jack: Of course not -- that's because you hate my religion and victimize me

 

[wil]

The question you ask has been answered by the Message of Baha'u'llah

Oh, I see, as long as we all follow your belief...

Me thinks you didnt get any of RJs little scripts.

How long has your boys religion been around? Not being persecuted anywhere because you create harmony? Or persecuted cause you claim a different path is truth?

 

[wil]

It makes no sense to me that somebody should expect not to have their religion criticised by others
on a forum like this.

Things get criticized when anyone claims to have all the answers in their religious book...outside their coral....inside their coral...their religion should not be criticized but their sect or denomination interpretation is likely to...by others of their religion

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Jack: My book from God is right and what you believe is wrong

Pete: I don't agree

Jack: Of course not -- that's because you hate my religion and victimize me

Jack - The Message I have embraced is from God and that Message embraces all Messages from God, as such it embraces the Message that you follow.

Pete - You do not beleive my Message as you would practice it as I have chosen to do.

Who is the victim here? Is it not Pete who still insists that he is a victim of his own thoughts, his own way?

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Oh, I see, as long as we all follow your belief...

Me thinks you didnt get any of RJs little scripts.

How long has your boys religion been around? Not being persecuted anywhere because you create harmony? Or persecuted cause you claim a different path is truth?

The Key here is they are not mine

All Faith is of God, I own none of them, I can choose to follow one, or I can choose to understand them all.

Regards Tony

 

[muhammad_isa]

Jack: My book from God is right and what you believe is wrong

Pete: I don't agree

Jack: Of course not -- that's because you hate my religion and victimize me

You're not trying to get along, are you?
Why don't you stop complaining, and just accept that there are two major religions in the world
which believe different things about the nature of Jesus.

If you tell me that you think that Jesus is God, I know some Muslims that dislike that. I think it is because of
them being ruled in the past by European nations.
My situation is different. It doesn't concern me if you think that Jesus is God. It's no skin of my nose.

However, you seem to get very angry in conversations on that topic. Perhaps it is something to do
with past experiences in SA .. I don't know .. we are all different.

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

How long has your boys religion been around? Not being persecuted anywhere because you create harmony? Or persecuted cause you claim a different path is truth?

People do not like change.

The issue is that God always offers change without compulsion.

We find it hard when God tells us we need to change.

Regards Tony

 

[RJM]

Jack - The Message I have embraced is from God and that Message embraces all Messages from God, as such it embraces the Message that you follow.

Pete - You do not beleive my Message as you would practice it as I have chosen to do.

Who is the victim here? Is it not Pete who still insists that he is a victim of his own thoughts, his own way?

Regards Tony

Tony, you're fine, imo

You are quite entitled to explain what you believe, and encourage others to have a look. Good to have all these different points of view around, imo

Hang in there, bro

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Oh, I see, as long as we all follow your belief...

That choice is given in every holy book. Those same books contain promises that a day will come when we are offerd the choice of unity, the Bible tells us plainly of a day of One Fold under One God.

So if God sends us such a Message, the Message is not mine, but of God.

I can only embrace and share, as all Holy books ask us to do.

Regards Tony

 

[muhammad_isa]

Things get criticized when anyone claims to have all the answers in their religious book...outside their coral....inside their coral...their religion should not be criticized but their sect or denomination interpretation is likely to...by others of their religion

Yes .. interesting.
Perhaps it is because I was raised as a Christian that is causing some problems.

I sometimes argue in the Christian forum with my "Christian hat" on. Not all Christians believe that
Jesus is God [ JW's and Unitarians, for example ], although I know the majority do.

The fact remains, that Islam and Christianity are the most popular beliefs. If either Muslims or Christians
cannot tolerate the other's beliefs, then maybe they should not get involved with interfaith discussion.
I have made it clear, that I personally have no problem with somebody believing that Jesus is God.
It does not make me angry.

 

[RabbiO]

I have made it clear, that I personally have no problem with somebody believing that Jesus is God.

If that is your position, I applaud you. I do have to tell you, however, and maybe it is only me, that my reading of your posts has not really given me that impression.