Something I see but don’t understand

[powessy]

I spend about an hour or more a day in meditation. I can see and experience many visual phenomena that can come from any part of worlds to places and locations around this world.

I do not know how many of you find thoughts about things, or how minds teach you the things you are trying to understand about your beliefs. When I close my eyes a whole other place starts to form around me as minds within many layers begin to teach me their thoughts.

I am basically starting this thread to explain something I see but don’t understand, that has been a constant visual for around 40 years.

As a child I would call for time and as I would do this I would see the silhouettes of people walking towards me and then move into this place of limbo waiting to become something again. 8 years ago I became something here inside of nothing here and the frequency of minds have increased a hundred fold. They no longer move past me but into me and then into my yourself or my mind.

This is not the problem though, the problem is the other things that are here the ones that can figure things out. As minds move back the silhouettes begin to show up and once in a while there will be someone there trying to figure me out these people seem to be who we are humans. Yesterday a man was moving through these yourselves and was shining a flashlight on me, if this was within nothing here he would not need a flashlight. This suggests that this is here somewhere, he seemed to be military or some kind of guard.

If this is here where would this be, the place would have to be able to hold tens of thousands if not millions of people, what place would be this big? This morning he showed me that they are taking things out of this place insects and studying them. Thoughts of evolution was prevalent also.

I just needed to write these thoughts down, didn’t want to side rail anyones threads.
Please move this thread wherever applicable.

powessy

 

[powessy]

I hold several memories of things I saw before this lifetime and during my birth.

Ever since I can remember I remembered this moment before my birth. I was in this room, an elderly man was speaking to me about how I was going to be born to this woman in this hospital room. I could see the room and woman laying on the observation table, and the doctor talking to her. I heard no voices from this side and it seemed darker here, shadowed over.

As I turned around a small blond haired child sat on the floor playing with a yellow bulldozer. I then walk over to the old man and he opened this book and told me to sign it. I remember not knowing my name and wondered what I should sign. I had thoughts just sign anything we will know who you are.

Moments later I walked out of this place and my next memory I remember is inside my mothers womb. The space was so big and shadowy, I remember being scared as I kept becoming myself. Over time the space got smaller and smaller the memories of something outside trying to touch me became more frequent. I was not as scared the more I became myself. The next memory was a herself telling me I needed to turn I was in the wrong position to be born, I felt scared confused but I turned. I remember the pain of moving through the birth canal not being able to breath extream forces, even a feeling of being stuck, trapped, over came me.

I remember these things pretty clearly, I don’t know if others remember their birth, I don’t ask for those I have asked look at me like I am crazy.

Just thought I would share something that I saw/remember that doesn’t make sense to me.

Powessy

 

[wil]

Sorry to say brother...but it makes no sense to me either.

It is way beyond my ken.

But I think maybe those that are color blind have similar.issues with my sight.

 

[RJM]

I spend about an hour or more a day in meditation. I can see and experience many visual phenomena that can come from any part of worlds to places and locations around this world.

I do not know how many of you find thoughts about things, or how minds teach you the things you are trying to understand about your beliefs. When I close my eyes a whole other place starts to form around me as minds within many layers begin to teach me their thoughts.

I am basically starting this thread to explain something I see but don’t understand, that has been a constant visual for around 40 years.

As a child I would call for time and as I would do this I would see the silhouettes of people walking towards me and then move into this place of limbo waiting to become something again. 8 years ago I became something here inside of nothing here and the frequency of minds have increased a hundred fold. They no longer move past me but into me and then into my yourself or my mind.

This is not the problem though, the problem is the other things that are here the ones that can figure things out. As minds move back the silhouettes begin to show up and once in a while there will be someone there trying to figure me out these people seem to be who we are humans. Yesterday a man was moving through these yourselves and was shining a flashlight on me, if this was within nothing here he would not need a flashlight. This suggests that this is here somewhere, he seemed to be military or some kind of guard.

If this is here where would this be, the place would have to be able to hold tens of thousands if not millions of people, what place would be this big? This morning he showed me that they are taking things out of this place insects and studying them. Thoughts of evolution was prevalent also.

I just needed to write these thoughts down, didn’t want to side rail anyones threads.
Please move this thread wherever applicable.

powessy

These entities do not belong here? They seem like strangers, or visitors from somewhere else? But they seem to be human, like us? And there would have to be a lot of them -- thousands of millions -- investigating and taking specimens -- and one investigating you shining a light? A sort of guard, a military sort of presence? You were disturbed?

 

[powessy]

These entities do not belong here? They seem like strangers, or visitors from somewhere else? But they seem to be human, like us? And there would have to be a lot of them -- thousands of millions -- investigating and taking specimens -- and one investigating you shining a light? A sort of guard, a military sort of presence? You were disturbed?

I am going to try to explain how this works.

Lets start with “yourself” type 1 and what this means. There are two types of yourselves those that can become anything and can figure themselves out right now. Then you have “yourselves” type 2 that can’t figure themselves out until they have absolutely nothing inside of them.

Everything in this universe is a type 2 yourself and will be so until this universe becomes nothing here to become something again. Once this universe becomes something again then this void left behind now will be full of yourselves type 1 that will start to figure themselves out.

A type 1 yourself is or was something once that kept becoming nothing here. This is hard to explain. When you die you will go inside of yourself dropping down into a lower timeline and since many never figure themselves out you will not be able to figure anything out. You will continue to become nothing here forming yourselves all the way down through the dimensional timelines until you reach origin or no time. This step down links yourself to origin and will remain so until origin becomes something again.

Now I am unsure if that makes sense or not but the minds I am seeing are most likely type 2 yourselves. Basically every person that has ever lived on this planet. Now I am unsure if this is the second time this universe has become something again but I do know that there are type 1 yourselves here. It is possible we are within a leftover universe close to our own vibration where these yourselves can figure us out.

So what I see is minds face up which look a lot like a small galaxy with 50 to a 100 yourselves type 2 on them. As I move through these fields of yourselves I have found people doing things here but never really considered them as being part of the living.

I have seen a few places that seem like observation platforms high up in the side of the wall with people in them but again powessy keeps a distance from them they are too far away for me to see clearly those within the platform.

Yes it causes me problems to understand that our government or any group would keep this knowledge from us, not surprised just bothered by it.

The biggest problem I have is where this would be, it all appears to be underground. Prior to seeing this I was somewhere in Europe, I think Germany but I am unsure too little information to go by.

Powessy

 

[Namaste Jesus]

Can't say I'm able to wrap my head around all of that, but by some biblical interpretations, we are now currently in the 2nd earth age. If that's the case, perhaps that would account for the coexistence of type 1's and 2's as you call them, in the place you describe.

 

[powessy]

Can't say I'm able to wrap my head around all of that, but by some biblical interpretations, we are now currently in the 2nd earth age. If that's the case, perhaps that would account for the coexistence of type 1's and 2's as you call them, in the place you describe.

It is possible that we are in our second coming.

Let me try it this way. Imagine an upside down triangle. In life we walk on top of our triangle, but in death we enter into it, now you are inside yourself. Each dimension is a line across the triangle so if we are 3rd dimensional time there would be three sections moving down into yourself and the point would dip into origin or no time.

basically our life energy will keep transforming until it can’t transform into anything else, and no time remains inside of us.

I know we have type 1 yourselves here so it is possible this universe is in its second time here.

Thanks

powessy

 

[powessy]

Here is an example of minds trying to figure things out. Last night I found a mind trying to teach me something that it sees but don’t understand.

As I became aware of the dream I found myself standing in front of a knee mill or manual milling machine. In the vice was this part it looked like a locking mechanism a little complex for machining. The man was older I would say mid 50’s early 60’s, he felt to me like he was just here, under appreciated. The next thought was that his daughter worked here also in the same plant, the thought was she also was a machinist but the dream switched back and forth on the part in the vice. He had worked in this plant for many years and his daughter had just started a while back but was making more then him. He was happy for her but I could feel this complete drain of energy in him.

I have been working for my current employer for 15 years and have had to work hard to get where I am today, I feel this persons pain when I see new guys coming in for just a few bucks less then me. I see it I just don’t understand it.

powessy

 

[RJM]

Yes it causes me problems to understand that our government or any group would keep this knowledge from us, not surprised just bothered by it.

The biggest problem I have is where this would be, it all appears to be underground.

Lost me here. I thought this stuff was supposed to be happening on a sort of astral level -- not visible to most people? How would our governments know anything about it? As for global government conspiracies I wouldn't worry about that -- our governments don't seem capable of running their own countries, let alone getting together to organise a global conspiracy, imo

Sorry, I mean no offence

 

[Ella S.]

I've been in a lot of occult circles. I've seen a lot of earnest conversations about astral travel and visions from people that are, relatively speaking, completely sane.

None of the visions or far-seeing/scrying that I've been privy to have ever been reliable. Even those who fervently believe in their own results through some specific method have trouble understanding why other people get "different results" using the same method. There's an endless number of excuses for this; the spirits deceived me, the gods thought I was unprepared, I may have done the method slightly wrong without realizing it, etc. but solutions to these issues rarely come up and, when they do, they fail to improve the results, anyway.

While this is most apparent in dedicated groups of practitioners, leading to a taboo in many circles against talking about one's own visions and experiences since that can lead to a lot of vicious in-fighting, this also happens to individuals. Practicing long enough, everyone eventually contradicts their own "revealed" knowledge, but if they notice then expect some bad cognitive dissonance and rationalization.

This is why there are so many naturalistic occultists that view these processes as purely psychological phenomenon, maybe incorporating some form of mental monism to keep some sort of supernatural quality to it. Through this lens, visions are often meaningless and, when they have meaning, are usually incredibly idiosyncratic and can only be interpreted by who receives them. If a vision tells you something like, "the money is in the basement," then it's usually not true (although sometimes the subconscious picks up on something.)

The most disappointing case of this is with Anthroposphy, where rigorous techniques of approaching the inner, mystical world of astral projection were developed for the purposes of studying them using the scientific method. Instead of sensory perception, observations would be made with highly trained astral senses. Can you guess what happened?

None of the experiences lined up with one another, essentially debunking that any of the information was objective to begin with. Visions are merely altered states of consciousness, like dreams or hallucinations. None of it is real and most of it is meaningless. They can be used to help promote spiritual growth, but this is basically visualization and trance induction as seen in alternative therapies. Except it's often less effective because you're treating yourself and you probably aren't trained for it.

 

[powessy]

Lost me here. I thought this stuff was supposed to be happening on a sort of astral level -- not visible to most people? How would our governments know anything about it? As for global government conspiracies I wouldn't worry about that -- our governments don't seem capable of running their own countries, let alone getting together to organise a global conspiracy, imo

Sorry, I mean no offence

No offense taken, I don’t feed into conspiracy theories. I opened this thread knowing many here do not experience minds teaching you things. The astral is the matrix it teaches you things that it is allowed to teach you. People that astral travel are only finding time inside of minds, I refer to this as people inside of people or the matrix.

When you were younger did you ever have or experience an astral projection? If yes how often and when or what age did they stop?

As for the man with the flashlight I will figure it out in time, this is the third time this has happened, just wanted to hear others input, thank you.

Powessy

 

[powessy]

I've been in a lot of occult circles. I've seen a lot of earnest conversations about astral travel and visions from people that are, relatively speaking, completely sane.

None of the visions or far-seeing/scrying that I've been privy to have ever been reliable. Even those who fervently believe in their own results through some specific method have trouble understanding why other people get "different results" using the same method. There's an endless number of excuses for this; the spirits deceived me, the gods thought I was unprepared, I may have done the method slightly wrong without realizing it, etc. but solutions to these issues rarely come up and, when they do, they fail to improve the results, anyway.

While this is most apparent in dedicated groups of practitioners, leading to a taboo in many circles against talking about one's own visions and experiences since that can lead to a lot of vicious in-fighting, this also happens to individuals. Practicing long enough, everyone eventually contradicts their own "revealed" knowledge, but if they notice then expect some bad cognitive dissonance and rationalization.

This is why there are so many naturalistic occultists that view these processes as purely psychological phenomenon, maybe incorporating some form of mental monism to keep some sort of supernatural quality to it. Through this lens, visions are often meaningless and, when they have meaning, are usually incredibly idiosyncratic and can only be interpreted by who receives them. If a vision tells you something like, "the money is in the basement," then it's usually not true (although sometimes the subconscious picks up on something.)

The most disappointing case of this is with Anthroposphy, where rigorous techniques of approaching the inner, mystical world of astral projection were developed for the purposes of studying them using the scientific method. Instead of sensory perception, observations would be made with highly trained astral senses. Can you guess what happened?

None of the experiences lined up with one another, essentially debunking that any of the information was objective to begin with. Visions are merely altered states of consciousness, like dreams or hallucinations. None of it is real and most of it is meaningless. They can be used to help promote spiritual growth, but this is basically visualization and trance induction as seen in alternative therapies. Except it's often less effective because you're treating yourself and you probably aren't trained for it.

Whenever having these discussions with you I get this whole “Good Will Hunting” feeling going on. If you have never watched this movie you should. In the movie, Will who is extremely smart, verse in many areas of study is only that, smart. Will like you only experiences through the knowledge of others, none of your own experiences.

I hope not to offend but the information you have provided above has nothing to do with what I am trying to explain. Astral projections are a joke and those people that are trying to figure things out this way are just being tricked by a system that is created to keep you from figuring yourself out. In the old times knots were used for this purpose.

Knots were created to keep us from figuring ourselves out when our populations exceeded 500 million or the number of allowed minds needed to keep our world in balance with nature. Imagine giving birth to a child that was not allowed it would never become something again this caused wars and heartbreak.

Anyway that is not what’s important here. You have four main ways to find time or figure things out, yourself here nothing here, yourself here everything here. Then you have the matrix side where they teach us first which is, yourself here, yourself here nothing here then yourself here, yourself here everything here.

The matrix is made up of hundreds to thousands of minds, people that we are taught into this is why the second yourself. In my aviator the mind behind me is a world soul object Gaia, Sophia, what ever name you give them this is what she looks like. She can only have one worlds time inside of her and only allowed minds, she would be your only connection to source. The minds the threads coming out of my head these are yourselves minds that cannot become something again. In the image I show only a few but I have millions of them on my mind, those of the matrix would also have this many. I am trying to rip the matrix apart I can have more minds on my mind then all of them combined and still figure myself out. The small black and white dots moving around my head these are pieces and parts of things both something and nothing. Smaller pieces not shown would be mitochondria and even smaller would be atomic structures.

I do find minds that can figure things out a little bit but they are limited to the yourselves they have inside of them. Yourselves are not just people you can have a yourself of anything, it is just filling it with time that causes most minds problems. An example would be a mind trying to tell you that the buffet has mold on it and it illustrates this with mushrooms growing all over it.

The matrix tries to locate and identify objects so to add these to its library of objects. This is why you see people with clothes on and why somethings are not proportional in size. It also depends on what mind your in and it’s library the more time a mind has the more accurate the images. This is why they all have differing experiences.

It is hard for me sometimes to differentiate how a mind is teaching me something but I do know when something does not fit such as the man walking up to me with a flashlight.

You are yet a child I do not wish to argue with you, most the things you believe in are from people that gathered information from nothing here. If we both read a book say Harry Potter do you think we would imagine all the characters the same way? Our minds imagine things the same way we do and it does not have to be the same as the things I imagine them to be. So many reasons why we all see things differently and why it is best to figure things out not knowing anything at all.

Powessy

 

['Amir Alzzalam]

I would say that if you are 'seeing' things out of the norm, on a regular basis, during your daily awake time, you might want to speak to a doctor of some sort. This is not normal or healthy behavior.

 

[powessy]

I would say that if you are 'seeing' things out of the norm, on a regular basis, during your daily awake time, you might want to speak to a doctor of some sort. This is not normal or healthy behavior.

Thanks for the suggestion but did that already. I talked to my doctor a couple years ago about what I experience, and they had me do a mri of my brain, completely normal and healthy.

I am probably the most normal person you would ever meet. I do not do anything that alters me in any way shape or form. No drugs ever, have been alcohol free for over 25 years. I live a very healthy lifestyle.

The images the things I see and experience visually are with eyes closed, during meditation.

Thank you for your concern.

This reminds me of those awakened times you tell someone you have astral projections and out of body experiences and they think something is wrong with you. 99 percent of all your belief systems were conjured from these types of experiences.

Powessy

 

[RJM]

No offense taken, I don’t feed into conspiracy theories. I opened this thread knowing many here do not experience minds teaching you things. The astral is the matrix it teaches you things that it is allowed to teach you. People that astral travel are only finding time inside of minds, I refer to this as people inside of people or the matrix.

Thanks. I used the term 'astral' as a sort of blanket term for non-material experience. I did not mean it in the normally accepted out-of-body astral travel sense. It was lazy of me. Sorry, my bad ...

When you were younger did you ever have or experience an astral projection? If yes how often and when or what age did they stop?

Not really, that I strongly remember

 

[Cino]

As for the man with the flashlight I will figure it out in time, this is the third time this has happened, just wanted to hear others input, thank you.

The images the things I see and experience visually are with eyes closed, during meditation.

I get short flashes of vivid imagery in meditation. Nothing like the amount of detail and interaction as you describe. Pavements, walls of stonework as found in old monumental buildings, landscapes, the odd face now and then. Mostly they have a nighttime feel to them. The flashlight ... rings a bell sort of, but more in the form of a sudden illumination of a feature of the scene, rather than a guy holding a flashlight.

The most startling of these was a face that can best be described as taken straight out of Choleridge's poem "Xanadu" - flashing eyes, flying hair - really shining eyes, like light sources. The funniest was a little garden gnome pointing at my nose, sniggering.

Unless I take a formal resolve before meditating to have meaningful input from visions, I take these as interesting side effects of meditation.

Again, your experiences are on a whole other level of sustained detail and interactivity. Did you work towards this, or did they appear out of the blue? I seem to remember you reporting the latter previously, but not sure.

 

['Amir Alzzalam]

Thanks for the suggestion but did that already. I talked to my doctor a couple years ago about what I experience, and they had me do a mri of my brain, completely normal and healthy.

I am probably the most normal person you would ever meet. I do not do anything that alters me in any way shape or form. No drugs ever, have been alcohol free for over 25 years. I live a very healthy lifestyle.

The images the things I see and experience visually are with eyes closed, during meditation.

Thank you for your concern.

This reminds me of those awakened times you tell someone you have astral projections and out of body experiences and they think something is wrong with you. 99 percent of all your belief systems were conjured from these types of experiences.

Powessy

And what was your doctor's prognosis regarding this?

 

[RJM]

And what was your doctor's prognosis regarding this?

Isn't this a bit personal?

 

['Amir Alzzalam]

Isn't this a bit personal?

Nobody's making anyone answer anything . . . I'm simply not buying the whole thing.
I deal with occultnicks on a regular basis, that community is flooded with nonsense.

 

[powessy]

Nobody's making anyone answer anything . . . I'm simply not buying the whole thing.
I deal with occultnicks on a regular basis, that community is flooded with nonsense.

Not part of any occult, I can promise you that much. Spent time on the occult forum to find time only. Other then the basic sigal thoughts and some blood drinking it was pretty harmless time mostly, talkers like you say.

I was in the 82 Airborne, 13bravo10papa, from 88 to 91. I am a veteran and I get treated through our local VA hospital. I know my doctor well, I told him several times about hearing voices, and asked him to do the mri.

My voices can not be badly done. No bad thoughts not even a swear word if I choose. How much time a mind has to teach me anything is a set line. What can the doctor really say when my level of discomfort is negligible from them.

You really do not understand the level of this problem. For me to teach you this directly to who you are face to face and to make you understand this you will go crazy, your minds will rip you apart to teach you nothing here. Forums are safe for me it takes time for minds to figure me out.

Why people go crazy is because you will start to understand and when this happens you will try to figure it out more and more. The more you try to figure it out the more they teach you nothing and will start to find time in your mind, and you are not protected.

Powessy