IS RELIGION actually a philosophy?

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Help me. Am I seeing this correctly, that religion is actually also philosophy, namely, if you look at it like, to begin with, Jesus Christ said to take the blame, which is the opposite of giving blame, which makes it philosophical with the question of whether religion is the opposite of philosophy, which would mean that philosophers do not take the blame but give it, but is this true? What do you think?
 
The simple definition of philosophy according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary

the study of the basic ideas about knowledge, truth, right and wrong, religion, and the nature and meaning of life.

So yes?
 
Faithfulservant said:
The simple definition of philosophy according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary

the study of the basic ideas about knowledge, truth, right and wrong, religion, and the nature and meaning of life.

So yes?
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Specualations of the doubtful, not willing to surrender and listen to those with knowing&seeing.
And at large just about is or isn't instead of should and shouldn't do, for long term happiness.
 
perhaps the best philosophers are those that are providing advice when it is really needed in critical situations and do not get the credit because their ideas are too valuable to be shared or told

but the popular,, well known, philosophers that are remembered by history are those who are not there to amend critical times or situations but just cater to the norms of society and puff up the wealthy and powerful.
 
spiritualbee said:
Help me. Am I seeing this correctly, that religion is actually also philosophy, namely, if you look at it like, to begin with, Jesus Christ said to take the blame, which is the opposite of giving blame, which makes it philosophical with the question of whether religion is the opposite of philosophy, which would mean that philosophers do not take the blame but give it, but is this true? What do you think?
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I would say that theology is philosophy, but there is more to religion than theology. Religion also includes practices, ways of doing things, especially people doing things together.
 
Religion is a system of belief involving worship of the divine or supernatural.
Philosophy is the rational study of fundamental questions about existence, knowledge, ethics, and reason.

It's as simple as that . . .
 
servantuitions said:
perhaps the best philosophers are those that are providing advice when it is really needed in critical situations and do not get the credit because their ideas are too valuable to be shared or told

but the popular,, well known, philosophers that are remembered by history are those who are not there to amend critical times or situations but just cater to the norms of society and puff up the wealthy and powerful.
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The better philosophers are Agnostic Atheists; they are able to observe from outside the restraints of indoctrination.
 
Longfellow said:
I would say that theology is philosophy, but there is more to religion than theology. Religion also includes practices, ways of doing things, especially people doing things together.
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That's not the question. Theology is the philosophical aspect of a religion, more likely the Apologetics of a said religion.
 
Seems to me when Theo gets involved we leave the purely philosophical realm.

With a Venn diagram of science, philosophy, and theology, the overlapping areas would represent:
* Science and Philosophy: Logic, epistemology (theory of knowledge), and the philosophy of science.
* Philosophy and Theology: Ethics, metaphysics, existential questions, and the philosophy of religion.
* Science and Theology: Areas of historical overlap, particularly in cosmology and origins (though modern views often see these as distinct).

The center overlap of all three would encompass the broadest currently unanswerable questions about truth, existence, meaning, and the nature of reality, which all three disciplines address, albeit through different methodologies.
 
spiritualbee said:
Help me. Am I seeing this correctly, that religion is actually also philosophy ...
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Well religion is larger than philosophy.

Philosophy is an intellectual discipline. If Philosophy is the quest for wisdom, then religion is what you do with it.

All religions have a philosophical dimension – the reason why we believe what we believe.
 
I mean philosophy is a pursuit of the mind.

Religion is a pursuit of the whole person.

Having said that, the great philosophers of antiquity, your Platos or your Aristotles, would have engaged in philosophy with theurgy, engaging in rites and rituals to engage the Gods in their endeavours.
 
My understanding is that philosophy is effectively a framework for understanding the world around us on a fundamental level - so science would be a philosophical system, Christianity would be a philosophical system, etc. Trying to separate such systems from daily living, as is done with religion, seems a very modern idea.
 
iBrian said:
My understanding is that philosophy is effectively a framework for understanding the world around us on a fundamental level - so science would be a philosophical system, Christianity would be a philosophical system, etc.
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Yes ... today they are 'specialisms' whereas before they were a way of life – but then, of course, we're talking of the exemplars – Pythagoras, Plato, etc. Very much the case of how one saw the world.

iBrian said:
Trying to separate such systems from daily living, as is done with religion, seems a very modern idea.
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Yes, it's a phenomena of the West, I think, to relegate religion from public discourse.

I have to acknowledge that religions, as institutions, have done and inspired much that is commendable in the world. But, by the same token, they have done some reprehensible things ... on balance I think it pans out as commendable individuals in reprehensible institutions.
 
Thomas said:
I think it pans out as commendable individuals in reprehensible institutions.
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Combined with reprehensible individuals in commendable institutions.

And reprehensible individuals in reprehensible institutions (gangs, dictators, cults)

The problem lies in the way power, influence, money corrupt.
 
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I do not honestly see religion as the same as philosophy -

All religions have some form of philosophy within them but why and what purpose does philosophy serve for a religion other than presenting a system of moral standard and privileges upon those who benefit and uphold the philosophy of the particular religion.

what i mean is, philosophy only goes so far and does so much for a particular religion and then it becomes subject to opinion and adapts to a changing environment and condition - whereas, a Religion is a something more set stone, permeated and penetrated deep into its followers who can use some philosophy to understand the Religion but the Religion always speaks for itself.

For example, the " Old Testament " has rules, guidelines and mandates all mostly centered around being clean, sterile, healthy, fair and equitable and honest. Honest relationships in marriage, business and trade.

Keeping clean and preserving ones sexual reproductive process in a sterile, clean and healthy environment is one of the Bibles most critical values. How one treats another is also a mandatary process that must be honest, fair and justified.

The very act of serving another God outside of the Yawhea God of Abraham places one as very susceptible and easily influenced to stop following the law of God and to begin serving other Gods and other ideologies were dangerous and harmful to society and were directly connected to self-destructive behaviors and harmful situations and lifestyles in these ancient times - that these laws were given.

To the Jews, the term - ":" SERVING OTHER GODS " - - - this always was connected and represented following of dangerous practices of the other neighboring nations who served these other Gods. The nations were constantly attacking and endangering and seeking to exterminate the Jewish people and endangering others through BLOOD CRIMES and diseases and unclean sexual acts that spread plagues and diseases.

All actions that broke these laws and committed BLOOD CRIMES and deviation away from staying safe and following the laws of safety were equated to serving another god that always allowed this behavior.

Serving the God of the Bible meant that this behavior was to be prohibited and stopped. In the Bible Days –

other forms of magic or omens and spells in commination with evil spirits and ideologies were all used by people who followed the evil, violent, dangerous and self-destructive gods. / ideologies.

as far as philosophy, i believe this to be a human attempt to understand what is not understandable in a religion.
 
Exactly. Philosophy was a world view that determined your actions.

In the ancient and prehistoric world it's impossible to separate ideas of religion from daily living and world views - the language just wasn't there to do so. It would be like trying to separate belief that science and technology exists in the modern world - it's there, it determines our daily living and general outlook.
 
@servantuitions

Yawhea?

As to your remarks regarding Jews, Judaism and Jewish scripture, I’d appreciate cites to the materials you studied that lead you to the conclusions you arrived at in post #18.
 
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