Shiva vs Shiva

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I just had a good friend die, pass on....a younger friend....40. FB is flooded with memories and pictures and comments. He and I have 350 mutual "friends" in common.

More acquaintances than all friends...but I know them all, have conversed in person a d camped together or worked on projects together, we encounter each other in the wild and talk.

So the night of his passing folks are gathering at various homes...one is a home owned by a Jewish woman, they aren't "officially" (if there is such a thing) sitting shiva....but they are sitting around recalling stories, accepting guests and making the required plans.

More posts and comments past day...more memories...talks of transition which made me think about Shiva, the god of destruction and transformation...of death as a necessary step towards rebirth, representing the cyclical nature of the universe and the potential for renewal.

Anyone know of any interfaith discussion on the two as connected concepts?
 
@wil -

Observance does not begin until after a burial. If, as you seem to indicate, people were gathering prior to a funeral then whatever they were doing it was not sitting shiva.

Homophones can be fun to study, but useful as the basis for interfaith dialogue? No.

If you want I can recommend several different books dealing with the Jewish perspective on death and mourning. Read one or more and then decide in your own mind if you can make a case for connected concepts. If you think you can, set it out and we can discuss it.
 
RabbiO said:
@wil -

Observance does not begin until after a burial. If, as you seem to indicate, people were gathering prior to a funeral then whatever they were doing it was not sitting shiva.

Homophones can be fun to study, but useful as the basis for interfaith dialogue? No.

If you want I can recommend several different books dealing with the Jewish perspective on death and mourning. Read one or more and then decide in your own mind if you can make a case for connected concepts. If you think you can, set it out and we can discuss it.
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It did seem like a good question though, from @wil to wonder whether there were any etymological links in the deep past, between the two words and concepts.
I've wondered that two but never found any link yet. I didn't dig deeply on this topic in particular though.
As you said, they may just be homophones and the appearance is superficial.
 
wil said:
.. talks of transition which made me think about Shiva, the god of destruction and transformation...of death as a necessary step towards rebirth, representing the cyclical nature of the universe and the potential for renewal.
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"Rote hu'e aate hain sab, haste hu'e jo jayega, wo muqaddar ka Sikandar kehelayega"
(All weep when they come to the world, the one who goes laughing; he will be known as the conqueror of his destiny.)

"Zindagi to bewafa hai ek din thukrayegi, Maut mehbooba hai apne saath lekar jayegi;
Mar ke jeene ki adaa jo duniya ko sikhlayega, Wo muqaddar ka sikandar kahelayega."
(Life is unfaithful, one day it'll ditch you, Death is the true lover, it'll take us with her;
The one who teaches the art of living while dying, He'll be known as the conqueror of his destiny.)

Have no problem with death. Don't know about cyclic nature of the universe.

Lyrics, Film "Mukaddar ka Sikandar" (The Alexander of His Fate)
 
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Aupmanyav said:
Have no problem with death. Don't know about cyclic nature of the universe.
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Yeah me neither, no clue what is coming next, currently anticipate nothing, so anything will be interesting.... death tho, been there, done that woke up...have enjoyed this second chance.
Aupmanyav said:
The one who teaches the art of living while dying, He'll be known as the conqueror of his destiny
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Aupmanyav said:
the one who goes laughing; he will be known as the conqueror of his destiny.
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These give me a chance! They both not only seem doable but I think I have been practicing unknwingly....
 
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