Rupert Sheldrake: The Ten Dogmas of Science

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"The Spirit of Inquiry" is a concept and phrase used by biologist and enfant terrible Rupert Sheldrake in his book, The Science Delusion: Freeing the Spirit of Enquiry. In the US the title is Set Science Free as he feared the idea of 'delusion' would bracket the book along with creationists, etc.

It refers to a critical and questioning approach to science that challenges materialistic dogma by treating fundamental questions as open-ended, rather than already answered. Sheldrake argues that certain assumptions in modern science have become dogmas, hindering new lines of research, and that revitalizing the spirit of inquiry is necessary to discover a more complete understanding of reality.

His TedTalk on the topic was banned and removed – effectively an alternative opinion was censored by materialists – meanwhile he and his son continue to explore the wonders of nature and ask those questions that materialist science dismiss.

The Ten Dogmas of Science
1. Nature is mechanical.
2. Matter is unconscious.
3. Laws of nature are fixed.
4. Total amount of matter and energy are always the same.
5. Nature is purposeless.
6. Biological inheritance is material.
7. Memories are stored as material traces.
8. Mind is in the brain.
9. Telepathy and other psychic phenomena are illusory.
10. Mechanistic medicine is the only kind that really works.

I rather like this comment:
"I went through the standard scientific atheist phase when I was about 14,” he says, with a grin. “I bought into that package deal of science equals atheism. I was the only boy at my high Anglican boarding school who refused to get confirmed. When I was a teenager, I was a bit like Dawkins is today, you know: ‘If Adam and Eve were created by God, why do they have navels?’ That kind of thing.”

Not that he's embraced religion, but simply that he's seen the error of that outlook.
 
Like a lot of the paranormal stuff, I find it interesting... actually would like to believe much of it to be true.

But find no evidence beyond anecdotal for much of it. The other issue i have is looking at the other things his believers believe leave me wa ting more.

 
Like a lot of the paranormal stuff, I find it interesting... actually would like to believe much of it to be true.
I think Sheldrake's contention is that a dogmatic worldview – which makes statements like 'I don't believe in God, I believe in science' – is shaped by philosophical materialism that has led to science as a belief system in itself, rather than science as the spirit of inquiry, and furthermore a doctrinaire ideology which conflicts with and inhibits that freedom of inquiry "which is the very lifeblood of the scientific endeavour."

But find no evidence beyond anecdotal for much of it.
His point is rather that the dogmas of scientific materialism are themselves unsound and unscientific.

I don't necessarily agree with everything he proposes, but I do disagree with the idea that something must be nonsense or wrong, when the reasons presented are illogical and unscientific.
 
I don't necessarily agree with everything he proposes, but I do disagree with the idea that something must be nonsense or wrong, when the reasons presented are illogical and unscientific
I agree as well. But...

When one.can find no evidence beyond "this is what i believe because the Bible tells me so" I have issues...it is written falls apart when ya read what others deem gospel.

I believe there is more power more the power of belief itself, than the power of whatever nonsensical thing some believe in.

And I think you do as well. I think we all have our sacred cows that others deem ridiculous
 
I agree as well. But...

When one.can find no evidence beyond "this is what i believe because the Bible tells me so" I have issues...it is written falls apart when ya read what others deem gospel.
Why keep bringing the Bible into a discussion that's not about the Bible?

This looks like a 'Hey, look over there!' avoidance?
 
Science, specifically materialist science, seems to believe that because the mediums of matter and its related measurable effects like force and wave can be detected by device and body, that they are the sole paths to truth. They are free to believe that of course but ignoring the entire non-material medium of mental perception seems flawed to my mind. Like looking for a lost toy in only one half of the field.

Things are always changing though and now we have folks and groups like Sheldrake and Science & Nonduality popping up. While Sheldrake is more antagonistic, he is one form of the scientists who are not willing to succumb to the limited view of we-are-all-robotic-matter. And SAND is trying to integrate science and spirit since many of the members have experienced nondual awakenings.

It is an indication that some dogmas can evolve though slowly. Organized religion it seems to me still stands by its ancient scriptural teachings with little change but sometimes I wonder if it seems so simply because there is now little, if any, reporting of its events beyond the political and social aspects related to it. When I skip gpt and jump directly into search engines, reporting of miracles yearly is still seen.

The empirical scientistic will of course automatically dismiss them for the most part. Just like the presence of a reference in the science texts many of them read is taken as automatic proof of validity, the association with religion is automatically taken as proof of invalidity. Truth is subjective because of its many forms.

For me at least, the truth is, in a eternally changing uncertain universe with a partly predictable but unknowable and uncertain future, anything can become truth. What it is, is important but for creatures with unique and emotional mind-bodies like ours, what it means for us, the perceiving individual, is more important.
 
I do disagree with the idea that something must be nonsense or wrong, when the reasons presented are illogical and unscientific.
While it is a portion of a sentence. I believe it retains its own context. Other than the topic at hand...religion.... can you give me other examples that fit this criteria? Things that are illogical and unscientific yet not nonsense or wrong?
 
Why keep bringing the Bible into a discussion that's not about the Bible?

This looks like a 'Hey, look over there!' avoidance?
Why? Your speaker author raised Methodist turned rebel atheist scientific materialist who went to India became a veggie, studied sufism, returned to the church and joined a couple pilgrimage movements to increase butts in parish pews and you tell me I am playing the misdirection game and not the point of the OP... am I missing something?

I think he presents quite the offensive defense....or is it a defensive offense.

I think he is good at getting the choir to nod their heads in unison.
 
I really thought you'd recognise a kindred spirit.

His 'Sunday School' was scientific materialism, that 'God doesn't exist because science says so' – and then he asked questions, and then he saw through it, and now he's an advocate of 'open minded' scientific inquiry, and his book has been well received.

Materialism was his religion, now it's not. It's yours, that's OK, but that's beside the point. Knocking another religion doesn't validate your own.

His 'ten dogmas' – and he uses those terms to address what constitutes a 'religious' belief in materialism ('religious' again, for all the wrong reasons), are questions materialism needs to address.

I'm more interested in what people think about the 'ten dogmas' argument and what that says about scientific materialism, which is the prevalent and favoured position of a consumer culture. When you address the dogmas, then I'll see you addressing the point.
 
I think he is good at getting the choir to nod their heads in unison.
I think you'll find it's generally the choir that's dismissing him ... he's been an outsider for a long time, but now it seems the old choir's assumptions aren't as watertight as some like to insist.
 
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Science, specifically materialist science, seems to believe that because the mediums of matter and its related measurable effects like force and wave can be detected by device and body, that they are the sole paths to truth.
Seems to be the consensus.

They are free to believe that of course but ignoring the entire non-material medium of mental perception seems flawed to my mind.
It's not so much ignoring it as refuting it without sufficient reason. It's static science v dynamic science, really.

Things are always changing though and now we have folks and groups like Sheldrake and Science & Nonduality popping up.
Well Sheldrake's been around for at least fifty years ... and Lovelock's Gaia Hypothesis is still out there. Iain McGilchrist (noted neuroscientist) offered that the contemporary materialist prejudice:
"... that consciousness depends on matter I think this comes from the sort of cheery reassuring notion that matter is solid and obvious and clear and at least we understand that, so let's start from that and try and see how on earth we can get consciousness out of it. But as you know, matter is just not that simple, in fact the closer you look at matter the more it becomes even essence, and as problematic as consciousness itself. Indeed it is almost impossible or, according to most physicists, absolutely impossible to separate consciousness and matter."
(Dr Iain McGilchrist, "Matter and Consciousness")

While Sheldrake is more antagonistic ...
D'you think so? I find him characteristically British ... polite, if to the point.

Organized religion it seems to me still stands by its ancient scriptural teachings with little change but sometimes I wonder if it seems so simply because there is now little, if any, reporting of its events beyond the political and social aspects related to it.
I would say that's the case.

There seems to be an assumption that ancient scriptural 'truths' are necessarily out-dated, which clearly they are not – the Ancients said triangles have three sides, squares have four, circles are round – that order of truth hasn't changed.

The Beatitudes are as relevant today as they were then. Are they 'true' or 'fact'? There's a debate.

The Golden Rule was established millennia ago. God is God, and God today is the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, but our definitions and understanding at the intellectual level has evolved and changed over the millennia, but then that calls for intellectual effort.

Another assumption is that theology has stood still for two thousand years. Again, clearly that's not the case, but as you point out, scholarly theology tends to stay within scholarly circles, while populist – often sensationalist – theologies can become best sellers, even though, in general, they offer one-sided arguments and opinions that play up to their readership, who but into it without any critical investigation.

There are good populists out there, Bart Ehrman springs to mind, but again his view is not the only logical viewpoint, nor is it always reasonable, but he says what people like to hear, so no need to think it through.

I could list the good theologians who are not so populist, but who are offering radical ways to look at the nature of incarnation, and so on ... but they follow proper scholastic method, a bit like a mathematician proving a theorem, and so their books are somewhat dry until you get your head into the space. David Bentley Hart, obviously, but Jordan Daniel Wood is offering a 6th century argument, of Maximus the Confessor, that posits all creation as an incarnation ... while Hart argues for a kind of Vedic monism, or a monism informed by Christian-Vedic dialogue.

When I skip gpt and jump directly into search engines, reporting of miracles yearly is still seen... The empirical scientistic will of course automatically dismiss them for the most part. Just like the presence of a reference in the science texts many of them read is taken as automatic proof of validity, the association with religion is automatically taken as proof of invalidity. Truth is subjective because of its many forms.
And there, I think, is the nub of it. Regardless of religion – 'miracles' do happen, and saying 'it doesn't fir our model yet, but it will' is as much a declaration of faith as 'God did it' :)

People can't get their head round 'forms of truth' – so the obvious no-brainer is the empirical method of the natural sciences, which becomes the de facto benchmark for all.

For me at least, the truth is, in a eternally changing uncertain universe with a partly predictable but unknowable and uncertain future, anything can become truth. What it is, is important but for creatures with unique and emotional mind-bodies like ours, what it means for us, the perceiving individual, is more important.
Whole-hearted agreement.
 
Materialism was his religion, now it's not. It's yours, that's OK, but that's beside the point.
Materialism is my religion? Interesting conjecture. Care to ilumen me? I know you have decried unity as a prosperity church and there definitely are those among us, but this kid is envious of the preacher that is down to two suit cases... I am not because of two reasons....im a burner (have lots of camping gear) AND I am a juggler and have over two suitcases of juggling toya...but I could get all my belongings, all of them, all clothes camping gear furniture and juggling toys in a mini van...if i owned a car...and if I read you right you believe materialism is my religion.

You might be right I suppose, once I find out what you mean by that...me got more stuff to take to the thrift store....lol

Btw, if his choir don't agree...then I agree with them...as he seems a charlatan to me.
 
Materialism was his religion, now it's not. It's yours, that's OK, but that's beside the point. Knocking another religion doesn't validate your own.
What do you mean by materialism being a religion?
When people refer to materialism they could be referring to at least two distinct sets of ideas that I can think of - which leads to confusion.
Also either way, whichever definition of materialism you are referring to, are they not more philosophical approaches rather than religions?
 
Materialism is my religion? Interesting conjecture. Care to ilumen me?
I don't mean materialism in the sense of possessions.

Btw, if his choir don't agree...then I agree with them...as he seems a charlatan to me.
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That's a classic materialist's rebuttal of anything that doesn't conform to itself.

I'm more open-minded and nuanced – I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but I do see the dangers of reductionism, and agree with the philosopher Mary Mary Midgley, who welcomed "a new mind-body paradigm" to address what she called "the unlucky fact that our current form of mechanistic materialism rests on muddled, outdated notions of matter." (The Guardian)

Again, scientists across a broad range of disciplines have pointed out that science moves on, but the populist perspective tends to be out-of-date, because people don't keep up with emerging sciences, and when they do, it invariably spawns all sorts of nonsense that clutter those fields with popular appeal, such as neuroscience and cosmology.

Philosopher Martin Cohen: "[t]here is a lot to be said for debunking orthodox science's pretensions to be on the verge of fitting the last grain of information into its towering edifice of universal knowledge", while also noting that Sheldrake "goes a bit too far here and there, as in promoting his morphic resonance theory." (Times Educational Supplement)

Bryan Appleyard wrote that Sheldrake was "at his most incisive" when making a "broad critique of contemporary science" and "scientism," but on Sheldrake's "own scientific theories" Appleyard noted that "morphic resonance is widely derided and narrowly supported. Most of the experimental evidence is contested, though Sheldrake argues there are 'statistically significant' results." Appleyard called it "highly speculative" and was unsure "whether it makes sense or not." (The Sunday Times).

Personally I think there's something akin to morphic resonance theory, but Sheldrake hasn't nailed it.
 
What do you mean by materialism being a religion?
I tend to view it as the video presents it? It's his theory ...

I see it in the old, worn out, science v religion debate, the treats science as having the last say on religious matters.
 
What do you mean by materialism being a religion?
I still dont understand what Materialism is in this context or religion i suppose.

So i asked gemini and got....

"Materialism, as a philosophical viewpoint, asserts that only matter and physical processes exist. A religion based on this would focus on the physical world and scientific explanations, rather than on immaterial concepts like a soul or a non-physical God. It would likely reject miracles and supernatural phenomena, interpreting religious texts and ideas in a literal, physical sense."

If that is what you meant thomas...lacking further evidence or explanation I would guess you are spot on.
 
What do you mean by materialism being a religion?
I tend to view it as the video presents it? It's his theory ...
I'm going to have to re-view the video because I didn't catch the statement
I still dont understand what Materialism is in this context or religion i suppose.
"Materialism, as a philosophical viewpoint, asserts that only matter and physical processes exist. A religion based on this would focus on the physical world and scientific explanations, rather than on immaterial concepts like a soul or a non-physical God. It would likely reject miracles and supernatural phenomena, interpreting religious texts and ideas in a literal, physical sense."
Yes, materialism is often meant to mean that "everything is matter" yet it can also be used to say that people over-value material things.

Two words referring to different ideas (even if the ideas are in some fashion distantly related) lead to lots of confusion.

Then there is material culture - and those who value it (anthropologists, historians, cultural theorists, museums, etc) are not all that often described as 'materialist' in either sense just because they value material culture.
 
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