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In the Islamic faith Mohammad is known as the seal of the prophets and Gods final and chosen prophet, is this a significant part of the Islamic faith?





So I was thinking this could have been one reason what drove the philosophies of the Bab and Bahá'u'lláh to recognise all great religious figures as prophets. Because the only way to counter the Islamic claim of Mohammad as the final prophet of God, is to say that's what God wanted people to believe at that TIME and to further support this theory they had to include every faith in the world. However when one studies all religions of the world it is very easy to see how different they all are. How can one say God sent Buddha if Buddhists don't even believe in a God or in a soul. There are some principles in the Baha'i faith that I would say could be considered great, in my view correct and also filled many gaps in my own philosophy. But there are many things I would disagree with this faith is riddled with problems.



Like one fact is the only people who don’t drink alcohol are Muslims and Baha’is yet the rest of the world does. How can this unifying faith get everyone to stop drinking alcohol?



 
Postmaster said:
In the Islamic faith Mohammad is known as the seal of the prophets and Gods final and chosen prophet, is this a significant part of the Islamic faith?


This topic nearly got me thrown off the list awhile back. Though that is probably because I asked the question on the Islam board. So, I assume that its okay to discuss it here and now.

This comes down to what the word "seal" means in this particular reference.

So - it is all a matter of interpreting the intent of Muhammed.

No blame attacheth to the prophet where God hath given him a permission.
Such was the way of God with those prophets who flourished before thee; for
God's behest is a fixed decree -
Who fulfilled the mission with which God had charged them, and feared
Him, and feared none but god. And God taketh a sufficient account.
33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Apostle
of God, and the seal of the prophets: and God knoweth all things.

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 33 - The Confederates)
39 Who delivered the messages of Allah and feared Him, and feared none save Allah. Allah keepeth good account.
40 Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
41 O ye who believe! Remember Allah with much remembrance.
(Pickthall, tr, Sura 33 - The Allies)

In the oriignal Arabic the word "Khatam" is used. The primary meaning of this is "signet" like a ring with a seal upon it such as would be used to authenticate a letter or document. In such usage this would mostly mean that Muhammed is the Warrant or Guarantor, or Autehnticator of all the Prophets.

In this usage the word "last" is not apparently what was intended.

The word "Khatim" means LAST or END, as in there is no more.

If Muhammed meant He would be the last, why did He not say so? Both words come from the same root, but have different meanings.

In this sense, Baha`i's recognize that Muhammed indeed is the warrrantor of all the Prophets and authenticates their status and progression.

Possible meaning TWO:

Muhammed was indeed the Last Prophet of a CYCLE of Prophets, and The Bab and Baha`u'llah are the first Prophets of the NEXT Cycle of Prophecy.

Baha`u'llah shows us what "seal" means here - in the original He uses "Khatam"
"I implore Thee, O my Lord, by Thy Messengers, and Thy Chosen Ones, and by Him through Whom Thou hast affixed Thy seal upon the Manifestations of Thy Cause among Thy creatures, and Whom Thou hast adorned with the ornament of Thine acceptance among all that dwell in Thy heaven and on Thy earth, to graciously assist me to attain unto what Thou hast ordained for Thy servants and bidden them observe in Thy Tablets."
(Baha'u'llah, Prayers and Meditations by Baha'u'llah, p. 212)







Postmaster said:
So I was thinking this could have been one reason what drove the philosophies of the Bab and Bahá'u'lláh to recognise all great religious figures as prophets. Because the only way to counter the Islamic claim of Mohammad as the final prophet of God, is to say that's what God wanted people to believe at that TIME and to further support this theory they had to include every faith in the world.

I have never seen that claim by a Baha`i. God revealed the cycle of Prophecy when Moses succeeded Abraham, and Jesus succeeded Moses and Muhammed succeeded Jesus. So God did not want us to believe that any of those Prophets was separate and superior to another in the first place.

And, no, Baha`i's do not believe that Baha`u'llah is superior in His separate Self to any of the Prophets Who came before Him or will come after. And, yes, we do believe that Prophets will come after.

Postmaster said:
However when one studies all religions of the world it is very easy to see how different they all are. How can one say God sent Buddha if Buddhists don't even believe in a God or in a soul. There are some principles in the Baha'i faith that I would say could be considered great, in my view correct and also filled many gaps in my own philosophy. But there are many things I would disagree with this faith is riddled with problems.

If one looks only for differences one will find only differences. I believe that the essential nature of all these Prophets is the same. Love God above all else, do not treat one another as one would not wish to be treated himself, Lolve one another as God intends.

The differences are small in comparison. The laws of marriage, or business, or inheritance or criminal behavior are social, not spiritual and different times demand different laws.



Postmaster said:
Like one fact is the only people who don’t drink alcohol are Muslims and Baha’is yet the rest of the world does. How can this unifying faith get everyone to stop drinking alcohol?

Well, we don't demand that those who are not Baha`i's refrain from alcohol. Baha`i's refrain out of obedience. There are lots of Christian sects where alcohol is forbidden. Its one of those social laws that change from age to age. Alcohol has the ability to destroy lives and societies, Baha`u'llah says I am better off without it. Baha`u'llah says God created my mind perfectly able to commune with God, alcohol and drugs only cloud and obscure that perfect communion. Therefore I refrain from alcohol. I do not expect someone who does not embrace my faith to refrain.

I hope I am not appearing to push forward my faith upon anyone, but the question was raised not by me.

Regards,

Scott
 
Though Scot covered the topic well, there is another angle from which to view the same issues, which I wish to offer:

Postmaster said:
In the Islamic faith Mohammad is known as the seal of the prophets and Gods final and chosen prophet, is this a significant part of the Islamic faith?

It is certainly so.

No other reason than this is responsible for the suffering of Baha'is in most of the Moslem world than this issue.

I have maintained in other threads that every Faith's Scripture speaks to other Faith's often with some correction or change. Sometimes it is said that the common understanding is just wrong, and so it is with this tenent as understood by Moslems, as elaborated by Scot. Islam similarly corrected Christians in thinking that the Blessed Beauty of Jesus Christ, the eternal Spirit of God, was crucified. A spirit can in no wise be bound to wood. However Moslems then turn around and interprit this quote by speculating that Jesus didn't die on the cross and lived out some years later after being rescued off the cross and the whole thing not covered in the Bible as some kind of corruption or divine secret. It's just not so. Jesus died on the cross but the only part of Him that could die was His body. Unfortunately the intense feelings and importance of this event, Christ's crucifixion and Resurrection, are so central to Christian life, that any correction to that view is automatically unbeleivable, let alone when those making the statement might very well mean what Christians could not bare to hear - that the crucifixion and Resurrection were a lie at worst, or a misunderstanding at best.

Postmaster said:
There are some principles in the Baha'i faith that I would say could be considered great, in my view correct and also filled many gaps in my own philosophy. But there are many things I would disagree with this faith is riddled with problems.

I am glad we are gathered here to investigate these issues then.

Postmaster said:
Like one fact is the only people who don’t drink alcohol are Muslims and Baha’is yet the rest of the world does. How can this unifying faith get everyone to stop drinking alcohol?

It certainly presents some challenges in France where wine is cheaper than water!

Abraham Lincoln is viewed at a cursory level as the man who freed the slaves. People who delve into the facts of history often noise abroad the fact that in detail Mr. Lincoln only freed some of the slaves, and spoke at other times as if he thought people of African descent as less than those of European - indeed some of his verbage sounds little different than those with whom he was at war.

It is a profoundly difficult thing to be in a time and place and speak of things that are not so but will be so. It is easier to see such things in references to leaps of technology. One possible meaning to the prophecies that the sea would not divide people one from another could be to note that the wetness of the sea is no barrier to a plane carrying you from one continent to another. But how to refer to such an event if flying was unthinkable in almost every way for hundreds and thousands of years yet? Consider that the genius of Einstein had to be proved with intense layers of mathematics before it could even be considered publishable - that a language had to be made to refer to the reality Einstien first saw by insight and had to struggle mightly to elaborate by math. I would suggest its harder even than this to speak of matters of human development - we are, as it were, too close to the problem. Technology we can see outside ourselves, but our own moral choices and conditions are too near to us - and so the guidance becomes somewhat obtuse on the face of it. We are to remove the log from our own eye before trying to remove the spec from anothers. And so the same difficulty of speaking of things not so goes for Prophets. They are of a time and place, of an existing language and set of cultural ideas with which they are commissioned to speak to the human heart in order to elevate it to what it does not understand. Sometimes the issues are lofty and remote. Sometimes the issues are mundane and seemingly innocuous. In such matters it is useful, as in all things, to look with a searching eye, and not take common sense as either common or sensical.

Some there are who's lives are ruined, even ended, by the deranging effect alcohol, has on people, not any inherent failing of people. But some there are who seem totally unaffected by moderate consumption. Why forbid it to all? Well first let's look at "all". There is one category where alcohol is allowed - under a doctors prescription, if I recall right. Such a thing isn't generally affirmed by medical practice of course. But perhaps it could be. Another angle worth noting is that there are group dynamics to consider. Ever try treating one group of people by two different standards? They talk to eachother and don't understand why the other side doesn't or does get to do x. It collapses many an initiative! If it is true that where one suffers we all suffer or where one person isn't free none of us are free or similar maxims is it really too much to ask none - or almost none - to drink alcohol that some, even many, might be freed of this baleful effect on their lives?

There are some thoughts anyway....
 
I have maintained in other threads that every Faith's Scripture speaks to other Faith's often with some correction or change. Sometimes it is said that the common understanding is just wrong.

If all religions of the world are divinely inspired, then why would people get wrong interpretations of there own faith? Can't this be one example of the Baha'i faith being based on false ideas also? :D
 
Greetings, PM! :)

(FYI, to the extent that you can avoid doing whatever it is that inserts all these "color" commands into your text, that would make it MUCH easier to quote you!)

Postmaster said:
In the Islamic faith Mohammad is known as the seal of the prophets and Gods final and chosen prophet, is this a significant part of the Islamic faith?

So I was thinking this could have been one reason what drove the philosophies of the Bab and Bahá'u'lláh to recognise all great religious figures as prophets. Because the only way to counter the Islamic claim of Mohammad as the final prophet of God, is to say that's what God wanted people to believe at that TIME....


Sorry, but this is simply false!

Nor is there any need for Them to "cook up" some sort of weak "refutation" like the one you describe.

The facts are these:

In Arabic, there are several different words all of which translate into English as "prophet."

The word "nabi" means a "lesser prophet" such as Jerimiah or Ezra.

The word "Ras'ul" means a major Divine Messenger such as Jesus, Muhammad, or Baha'u'llah.

And according to the Qur'an, Muhammad is the Seal of the _nabi_, NOT of the Ras'ul!

So while there may be no more minor prophets, the continuation of Messengers is in no way prevented!

In addition, there is a further refutation of this in that the Baha'i scriptures explicitly state that EVERY Divine Messenger is "the first and the last," "the alpha and the omega," "the beginning and the end," and the "seal."

And it is for these reasons that we reject the Muslim opinion that Divine Revelation has ended.

Indeed, the Qur'an itself also says that if all the oceans were ink, they would not be enough to record all of God's Revelations!

And BTW, Baha'is do NOT recognize "all" religions as legitimate: some (such as satanism and that of Jim Jones) clearly are not! The passage in question says "all of them except a few born of human perversity."

Postmaster said:
[W]hen one studies all religions of the world it is very easy to see how different they all are. How can one say God sent Buddha if Buddhists don't even believe in a God or in a soul?

Very simple.

Buddhism, like the other older religions, has fragmented into different sects. And in fact, SOME of these sects of Buddhism are non-theistic while others ARE theistic! In the Baha'i view, the theistic ones more closely reflect the Buddha's original teachings.

Postmaster said:
Like one fact is the only people who don’t drink alcohol are Muslims and Baha’is yet the rest of the world does. How can this unifying faith get everyone to stop drinking alcohol?

As with everything else having to do with faith and religion, "one heart at a time!" :)

As people come to recognize Baha'u'llah and the wonder of His teachings, they will quite naturally want to follow them and to participate in the wonderful and spiritual life He offers. And I think it's safe to say that MANY, if not MOST of the seven million Baha'is already in the world come from backgrounds that included drinking. So obviously, it's eminently for people to decide to do this!

It might be helpful, too, to bear in mind that, as the Baha'i scriptures explain, religious teachings are of two types: spiritual and social.

Spiritual teachings are eternal and common across religions, although often expressed in differing language. Examples are "there is a God," "you're here for a reason," "don't kill," etc..

Social teachings, in contrast, are INTENTIONALLY temporary and are subject to change when a later Divine Messenger appears. A good example of this is Jesus' altering and abolishing certain Jewish laws in the New Testament. Social laws include things like marriage and divorce, administrative aspects of a religion, the calendar, etc..

And the Baha'i scriptures also state explicitly that the reason that various religions' teachings differ is because of the unique circumstances and needs that existed when each religion was revealed. (I don't have this passage at hand right now--I'm not on my main computer--, but will be happy to post it later if you like; just ask me!) Just as our rules for two-year-olds about keeping out of the street change as the child grows older and matures, so humanity has evolved to the point where new, updated social laws are more suitable than the ones given millenia ago.

Speaking of which, while so far as I know this isn't a Baha'i teachings and therefore ranks only as my personal opinion, it occurs to me that, like it or not, it may be significant that while none of the earlier religions seems to have forbidden alcohol, the most recent two great religions, Islam and the Baha'i Fath, both have! The more so given that religion is evolutionary and progressive over time.

I hope this helps.

Please feel free to continue asking questions, PM: I assure you that they're most welcome! :)

Best,

Bruce
 
Hi again. :)

Postmaster said:
If all religions of the world are divinely inspired, then why would people get wrong interpretations of their own faith? Can't this be one example of the Baha'i faith being based on false ideas also? :D

Not really, no!

Pick any religion you like, and assume that it's perfectly true and accurate.

Fine. Then why do many of its followers have ideas about it that are at variance with it, or even simply wrong?!

Very simple: because such error springs NOT from the religion itself (which being divinely-revealed is PERFECT as reveaned!), but from HUMAN misunderstandings and occasionally even intentional pervesrion of its teachings. And this can happen for any religion.

What God give us is pristine. But humans interpret (sometimes incorrectly), meddle, and alter things over time, so that a religion tends over time to drift away from its pure form and become something else.

The Baha'i Faith, like the others was God-given in a pure form.

And very fortunately for us, it remains what it was at the outset, demonstrable by examining its scriptures, for every one of which we have the original manuscript! Please bear in mind that the Bible asserts that a bad tree cannot bear good fruit, and vice versa! So if the Baha'i Faith is producing good "fruits"--which I put to you match those fruits listed in Galatians, then prima facie it is good and of God! (There are other proof texts in the Bible as well, BTW, which the Baha'i faith also passes.) But I let this for you to decide yourself.

I think it's important to remember that while God did indeed give each of us free will, He is not therefore culpable for any misdeeds we might commit (some of which involve the tragic corruption of religion). The wrong interpretations are man-made, and sometimes passed from one individual to others....

So once again, examine a religion's fruits, and base your decision on your thus-informed opinion.

Regards,

Bruce
 
Please bear in mind that the Bible asserts that a bad tree cannot bear good fruit, and vice versa!

If Babism has died out, does that mean the Bab was a bad tree? John the Baptist still has followers till today that do not recognise Jesus. Maybe the Baha'i faith is more self or man fulfilled prophecy rather then divinely fulfilled.
 
Postmaster said:
If Babism has died out, does that mean the Bab was a bad tree? John the Baptist still has followers till today that do not recognise Jesus. Maybe the Baha'i faith is more self or man fulfilled prophecy rather then divinely fulfilled.

Babism has not entirely died out. There are still Bayanis (followers of Subh-i Azal) in the world. They are very reclusive and secretive however, generally speaking.

Most Bab'i's recognized the claim of Baha`u'llah and, in so doing became Baha`i's, so in this sense they never "died out".

Most of those who followed John, son of Zacharias (the Baptist), also became Christians, though a few have remained centered on John and in denial of Jesus since those days - again they tend to be reclusive.

I do not know how a follower of the Bab could become reclusive and lay claim to follow the Bab, Who was Messianic in message.

John was a forerunner without claim to a book, but he was a prophet nonetheless. His call was for purification and repentance because the Messiah was at hand.

The Bab was a forerunner with claim to a book, but not only was He a "rasul", He was a prophet with a call for purification and repentance because He Whom God Shall Make Manifest was at hand.

The Bab, personally subordinated His cause and His book to "He Whom God Will Make Manifest". Here is one reference, interesting in that it specifies nineteen years for the Bab's dispensation):

"HE is God, no God is there but Him, the Almighty, the Best Beloved. All that are in the heavens and on the earth and whatever lieth between them are His. Verily He is the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting.
This is a letter from God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting, unto God, the Almighty, the Best Beloved, to affirm that the Bayan and such as bear allegiance to it are but a present from me unto Thee and to express my undoubting faith that there is no God but Thee, that the kingdoms of Creation and Revelation are Thine, that no one can attain anything save by Thy power and that He Whom Thou hast raised up is but Thy servant and Thy Testimony. I, indeed, beg to address Him Whom God shall make manifest, by Thy leave in these words: 'Shouldst Thou dismiss the entire company of the followers of the Bayan in the Day of the Latter Resurrection by a mere sign of Thy finger even while still a suckling babe, Thou wouldst indeed be praised in Thy indication. And though no doubt is there about it, do Thou grant a respite of nineteen years as a token of Thy favour so that those who have embraced this Cause may be graciously rewarded by Thee. Thou art verily the Lord of grace abounding. Thou dost indeed suffice every created thing and causest it to be 8 independent of all things, while nothing in the heavens or on the earth or that which lieth between them can ever suffice Thee.'" (The Bab, Selections from the Writings of the Bab, p. 6)

Regards,
Scott
 
Greetings!

Postmaster said:
If Babism has died out, does that mean the Bab was a bad tree? John the Baptist still has followers till today that do not recognise Jesus. Maybe the Baha'i faith is more self or man fulfilled prophecy rather then divinely fulfilled.

Not in the least, for both questions!

There are still a very few Babis around today, so it in fact has not died out. (Nor am I speaking of the Azali heretics, who have indeed died out.)

And as to BOTH the Babi and the Baha'i Faiths, there are many, many prophecies of their Advent in both the Tanach (Jewish scriptures), New Testament, and elsewhere, some of which give the exact year! So unless you're prepared to dismiss both the Jewish sriptures and the New Testament as "man-made," there's no way you can call the Babi and Baha'i Faiths that, either!

Piece of cake.

BTW, you can see these prophecies at:

http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled

Regards,

Bruce
 
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Popeyesays said:
This topic nearly got me thrown off the list awhile back. Though that is probably because I asked the question on the Islam board.

You didn't ask the question - you pushed the issue in the faces of the Muslim members, which was very disrespectful to them, as it was an attempt to assert the Baha'i view over the Muslim view.

The question is raised now, though...

Postmaster said:
In the Islamic faith Mohammad is known as the seal of the prophets and Gods final and chosen prophet, is this a significant part of the Islamic faith?


It is, but you would really need to ask this in the Islam board for a Muslim answer - the Baha'i view is obviously quite different and based on a different interpretation of key issues.

Postmaster said:
So I was thinking this could have been one reason what drove the philosophies of the Bab and Bahá'u'lláh to recognise all great religious figures as prophets. Because the only way to counter the Islamic claim of Mohammad as the final prophet of God, is to say that's what God wanted people to believe at that TIME and to further support this theory they had to include every faith in the world.


I would have thought the issue was more complex than that - Baha'i as a faith developed within the Shi'a community, which in itself is a minority faith within Islam - I'm personally not convinced that either Babaism of Baha'i would need to compete on that particular level.

However, in the 19th century there was an explosion in education - or, more specifically, there was an explosion in the access of education within the British Empire, of which Iran as we know it now was a part.

So anyone addressing the issue of religion at that time would perhaps be addressing an audience far more aware of different religions and their basic ideas, and being able to answer questions raised on these topics as much more of an issue at that time, than any previous.

A little idle speculation. :)

 
I said:
You didn't ask the question - you pushed the issue in the faces of the Muslim members, which was very disrespectful to them, as it was an attempt to assert the Baha'i view over the Muslim view.

The question is raised now, though...



It is, but you would really need to ask this in the Islam board for a Muslim answer - the Baha'i view is obviously quite different and based on a different interpretation of key issues.



I would have thought the issue was more complex than that - Baha'i as a faith developed within the Shi'a community, which in itself is a minority faith within Islam - I'm personally not convinced that either Babaism of Baha'i would need to compete on that particular level.

However, in the 19th century there was an explosion in education - or, more specifically, there was an explosion in the access of education within the British Empire, of which Iran as we know it now was a part.

So anyone addressing the issue of religion at that time would perhaps be addressing an audience far more aware of different religions and their basic ideas, and being able to answer questions raised on these topics as much more of an issue at that time, than any previous.

A little idle speculation. :)

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Dear Brian,

I do not understand. Am I allowed to reply or not?

Regards,
Scott
 
Popeyesays said:
Dear Brian,

I do not understand. Am I allowed to reply or not?

Regards,
Scott

Apparently, I am. Thank you.

You hit the nail on the head to a certain regard.

Mankind and his civilization were advanced enough to allow literacy and interchange of ideas on a global scale.

What better way to spread a global religious revelation than waiting for the day when it was truly possible?

Baha`i's believe the reason it was Persia where this arose was simply that if such an advanced message could be raised in a place not know for its advanced philosophy and technology, it would be a kind of proof in itself.

Regards,
Scott
 
Postmaster said:
So I was thinking this could have been one reason what drove the philosophies of the Bab and Bahá'u'lláh to recognise all great religious figures as prophets. Because the only way to counter the Islamic claim of Mohammad as the final prophet of God, is to say that's what God wanted people to believe at that TIME and to further support this theory they had to include every faith in the world. However when one studies all religions of the world it is very easy to see how different they all are. How can one say God sent Buddha if Buddhists don't even believe in a God or in a soul.

If I may be permitted to offer a different perspective on this: the concept of "progressive revelation" implies that religous truth is relative--that the truths of any given revelation are suited to a particular time, place, culture and human social evolution. An analogy often given relates progressive revelation to the grades in school. In each grade, the students are taught based on the capacity of the students to learn, and not the capacity of the teacher to teach.

Now, that's fine, but what about such fundamental contradictions in these truths as one finds between Baha'i and Buddhism? Perhaps another anology will help us here as well.

Suppose I ask you to give me the sum of the interior angles of a triangle. You are likely to say that this sum is 180 degrees (or PI radians). That answer would be correct if we're discussing plane geometry. That answer would be wrong if we're discussing spherical geomery (i.e. geometry where we project points and lines onto a spherical surface), where the sum of the interior angles is always strictly greater than 180 degrees. (Imagine starting at the North Pole, going south for a certain distance, going east for that same distance, then turning back north until you reach the North Pole again. You've just scribed out a triangle whose interior angles add up to 270 degrees.)

Now, which of these is "true". Well, when land surveyors plot out the boundaries of a piece of property, it's best to use plane geometry. The equations of spherical geometry, while theoretically closer to our reality, are complex enough that the computational error is likely to far outweigh any error of distortion. For local plots of land, plane geometry is our best description of reality.

On the other hand, when we're flying a plane from Seattle to London, our navigator had better be using spherical geometry, or we aren't going to end up in London. For intercontinental flights, spherical geometry is our best description of reality.

In other words, geometric truth is relative to the goal we wish to achieve. The same can be said of religous truth, and I would submit that this is exactly what Baha'u'llah means with His concept of progressive revelation. The goal of any Revelation is moving humanity forward in our spiritual evolution--what Baha'is refer to as carrying forward an ever advancing civilization.

So, how do we come to Buddhism that doesn't teach of the existence of God? I will speculate, but my speculation is highly subjective. I'm not a Buddhist scholar, nor do I wish to pretend to be one. This is, however, what I think has happened (and I welcome any Buddhist who wishes to correct my understanding).

The Buddha appeared in a largely Hindu mileu--a mileu that had acquired some largely anthropomorphic views God. All of the Buddha's discourse I've read on the subject of God appear, to me at least, to be addressing these anthropomorphised views of God. I think that the Buddha was trying to say that these anthropomorphised views of God do not reflect reality.

The Buddha is mostly silent on the question of whether or not God, as a being distinct from Hindic views, exists. His ontology focussed on the "becoming" aspect of our spiritual reality, and gave little attention to the "being" aspect of our spiritual reality. Within that ontology, whether or not a "Prime Mover" exists is a non-issue. A fuller aprehension of the nature of God simply wasn't what humanity needed at that time.

To summarize, progressive revelation pertains to humanity's needs and capacity at any given time. Because our capacity has always been, and will always be, limited, every Revelation has given, and will give, us a limited picture of reality. Because each of these pictures are approximate descriptions of reality, just like plane and spherical geometry represent approximate descriptions of reality, there is a chance that they will contradict each other.

These contradictions are unavoidable, but also are precisely why the doctrines of one Revelation cannot be used to validate or invalidate any subsequent Revelation. The validity of any given Revelation depends upon the Person and Nature of the Revealator. Or, at least, this is one way to understand what the concept of "progressive revelation" means.
 
Greetings; good to have you with us! :)

R>The validity of any given Revelation depends upon the Person and Nature of the Revealator.

In general, true, but there's an exception: A Revelator's validity can also be confirmed by any later Divine Messenger.

For example, if I'm a Baha'i and Baha'u'llah says Zoroaster was a Messenger, then the question is (for me) closed.

Regards,

Bruce
 
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