suffering is near its end

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All the evidence shows that we are nearing the end of mans tragic experiment in independence from God. It has been clearly demonstated that rulership by humans apart from God can never suceed. Only Gods rulership can bring peace, happiness, perfect health, and everlasting -life. So Jehovahs toleration of wickedness and suffering is nearing its end .Soon God will intervene in human affairs by destroying this entire unsatisfactory system of things.
Bible prophecy says .... In the days of those kings ( human rulerships now existing) the God of heaven will set up a kingdom(in heaven) that will never be brought to ruin.....It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms (present rulerships) and it itself will stand to times indefinite(daniel 2;44) the vindication of Jehovahs sovereignty, his right to rule , by his heavenly kingdom is the central teaching of the bible . foretelling a key part of the sign of The last days ,Jesus said,This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations ,and then the end will come....matthew 24;14
when the end comes who will survive? The upright are the ones that will reside in the earth . and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it . As regards the wicked they will be cut off from the very earth.(proverbs 2;21-22) the upright are those who learn Jehovahs will and do it.Jesus christ said ,This means everlasting life,their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God ,and of the one who you sent forth Jesus christ.(John 17;3) yes ,this world is passing away......but he that does the will of God remains forever (1 John 2;17) its nice to know that we can all be a part of the promises for the future in a paradise earth , but the question is do we want to do Gods will ?:)
 
Always interesting from before Jesus arrived on the scene and then beginning in full post crucifixion....the end is at hand. One common thread, most of the time is that it will happen in our lifetime. Not often we see predictions 100 or more years in the future...it is always current events that foretell armegeddon, the rapture, the apocalypse, revelation at any moment.

I wonder how many millenia we can continue with this thought?

The predictors stay the same just the names and faces and countries and wars change. Our vices have been fairly constant...sex, drugs, alcohol, envy, reckless abandon, we see the ebb and flow, the swing of the pendelum over the centuries...but over all it all stays the same, including the end being at hand.
 
wil said:
Always interesting from before Jesus arrived on the scene and then beginning in full post crucifixion....the end is at hand. One common thread, most of the time is that it will happen in our lifetime. Not often we see predictions 100 or more years in the future...it is always current events that foretell armegeddon, the rapture, the apocalypse, revelation at any moment.

I wonder how many millenia we can continue with this thought?

The predictors stay the same just the names and faces and countries and wars change. Our vices have been fairly constant...sex, drugs, alcohol, envy, reckless abandon, we see the ebb and flow, the swing of the pendelum over the centuries...but over all it all stays the same, including the end being at hand.
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that depends weather a person has kept on the watch i suppose, if they have , they are aware of where we are in the stream of time
YOU also, keep ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think likely the Son of man is coming. luke 12;40

For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying: "Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning 2 peter 3;3-4 if there were not ridiculars the bible would be wrong , but as you say there are ridiculars

 
I believe we are also told not to fret, because the world is going through the beginnings of birth pangs, and these things must happen as in child birth. I also note that it is not the end of the world, but rather the end of an age, hence the beginning of a new age. For a thousand years as I recall. I also note that that will not be the end of the world but the end of an age. Then evil is let loose for a short time. After that, then comes the end of another age, and the beginning of a New Heaven and New Earth...

So the concept that the end is near...is a misnomer. The Heavens and Earth never cease, rather they are to be reborn, or made new.

But even if our current age ended tonight, there is still a thousand and some years to go before total transformation of Heaven and Earth.

Also, suffering is not near its end, as it is written that there will be suffering during the time after the 1000 years of peace, when men know better (than they do now), yet choose to be fools and rail against the "known God".

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Q
 
The new heavens is not something for the future it is already in exsistence ,and directing those who want to live under the rulership of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment , so those who are not recognizing this new heavens(rulership) will not benefit from it . the earthly society of people who do recognize this new rulership are those who are doing the will of God now. and it is these people who will benefit and gain many blessings when God steps into the affairs of the nations . we are very close now to the time when God is going to put all opposers out of the way so that this heavenly kingdom can take over full control of the earth ...revelation 16;16
And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged´on

(Revelation 19:19) And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war with the one seated on the horse and with his army............... but there is only one victor and that is Jesus christ because he is king of kings and Lord of Lord

And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness...revelation 19;11

(Isaiah 11:4) And with righteousness he must judge the lowly ones, and with uprightness he must give reproof in behalf of the meek ones of the earth. And he must strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the spirit of his lips he will put the wicked one to death.
 
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mee said:
The new heavens is not something for the future it is already in exsistence ,and directing those who want to live under the rulership of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment , so those who are not recognizing this new heavens(rulership) will not benefit from it . the earthly society of people who do recognize this new rulership are those who are doing the will of God now. and it is these people who will benefit and gain many blessings when God steps into the affairs of the nations . we are very close now to the time when God is going to put all opposers out of the way so that this heavenly kingdom can take over full control of the earth ...revelation 16;16
And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged´on

(Revelation 19:19) And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war with the one seated on the horse and with his army............... but there is only one victor and that is Jesus christ because he is king of kings and Lord of Lord

And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness...revelation 19;11

(Isaiah 11:4) And with righteousness he must judge the lowly ones, and with uprightness he must give reproof in behalf of the meek ones of the earth. And he must strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the spirit of his lips he will put the wicked one to death
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I do not see the new heaven here yet. Impossible while the anti-Christ is yet to be, or yet to finish his work.

During the 1000 years of peace there is no war. Hence we are not there yet.

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Q
 
I dont know who wrote revelations, but whoever it was I believe them to have indulged a little to much in in psychoactives on top of a serious bout of depression.

Just a wee opinion from Dr.Equuus. :p


Regards

TE
 
Tao_Equus said:
I dont know who wrote revelations, but whoever it was I believe them to have indulged a little to much in in psychoactives on top of a serious bout of depression.

Just a wee opinion from Dr.Equuus. :p


Regards

TE
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Actually you are being rude. This is a Christian forum. And as such we believe in revelations, but you have no business talking garbage, about it in this forum.
 
Quahom1 said:
I do not see the new heaven here yet. Impossible while the anti-Christ is yet to be, or yet to finish his work.

During the 1000 years of peace there is no war. Hence we are not there yet.

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Q
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the reason you dont see the new heavens is because Jesus ,as the king of the heavens , first had to kick out the rebels in heaven ..revelation 12-9 and where did they go ? down here , but only for a short time , satan knows he has a short period of time left before he is put out of business for good
This abyssing of Satan is for a thousand years, during which time his influence on mankind will be no more than that of a prisoner in a deep dungeon. The angel of the abyss removes Satan completely from any contact with the Kingdom of righteousness. What a relief for mankind! and yes you are right there will be no wars when satan is out the way, so yes we are waiting for Jesus to go into action regarding the earth, but his heavenly kingship has already happened inline with bible prophecy and recognizing that kingship is what Jesus wants us to do , then we can come through the great tribulation that is yet to happen

After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb..revelation 7;9-10

(Acts 4:12) Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved......talking about the anti-christ , the anti-christ is anyone or any thing that does not recognize Jesus kingship and is against that kingship. the anti- christ is already here.

 
Tao_Equus said:
I dont know who wrote revelations, but whoever it was I believe them to have indulged a little to much in in psychoactives on top of a serious bout of depression.

Just a wee opinion from Dr.Equuus. :p




Regards

TE
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The apostle John introduces this grand prophecy with the words: "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place." (Revelation 1:1a)

The apostle John, who wrote down Revelation, was the last surviving apostle and one of the select spirit-anointed group of "slaves" that inherit immortal life in the heavens

 
People who talk about the so-called nearing End Times are people disappointed with their everyday life, maybe of little faith too.
I never see a discussion about all the past End Times that have never happened.
Some people as the Jehovah Witnesses have made it a topic to sell their religion, but as every End Times believers, they have always been wrong with their past predictions.

Revelation is from a disciple of John, not John himself.
 
Quahom1 said:
Actually you are being rude. This is a Christian forum. And as such we believe in revelations, but you have no business talking garbage, about it in this forum.
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You are correct. My appologies.


Respectfully

TE
 
mansio said:
Some people as the Jehovah Witnesses have made it a topic to sell their religion, but as every End Times believers, they have always been wrong with their past predictions.
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be cautious of those that give inaccurate dates and false teachings of man, and those that take out or put things in the word of god, as they have been tested and found wrong and misleading and inaccurate.

rather, test the things you hear and read. that way you know the bible is in the inspired word of god. with over 300 prophesies in the bible, most have already been fulfilled, that lets you know the rest will also be.

no matter what age we live in, love each other and ask for forgiveness of all the bad things you do and pray for the strength not to continue doing them, so that when the lord jesus christ comes in glory descending from the heavens you will not be ashamed.
 
Blazn

Could you give me a couple of the 300 prophecies that have been fulfilled. I hope they aren't of the kind given on another thread by a Muslim.
 
mansio said:
People who talk about the so-called nearing End Times are people disappointed with their everyday life, maybe of little faith too.
I never see a discussion about all the past End Times that have never happened.
Some people as the Jehovah Witnesses have made it a topic to sell their religion, but as every End Times believers, they have always been wrong with their past predictions.

Revelation is from a disciple of John, not John himself.
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people who talk about the nearing end of this system ,are people who are keeping on the watch to bible prophecy ,and have not fallen asleep to where we are in the stream of time. why you think that they are disapointed with every day life i am rather confused about, because for me ,i find the times we are living in to be rather thrilling times , and i am very very happy in my everyday life couldent be better infact, its a shame that we have to grow old and die in this system , but hey ,we can get everlasting life back when Gods purpose for the earth is fullfilled, so rather than being those with little faith ,i would say they are those with great faith
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld...Hebrews 11;1
As for JW being wrong , all i can say to that is ...........where have you been ,you must have missed the best bits
 
heres a link to a few that deal mainly with jesus:
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/m_prophecies.shtml

and here are some prophecies and fulfillments of Israel
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/nationhood.htm
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/preservation.htm

there are many others but ill just post those for you. :cool:

since we are talking about end times, isnt it interesting that the bible talks about the gospel being preached to the entire world and gods attention turning back to israel and that many armies will surround it at the end times. there are lots of things going on over there although who knows how long that will go on. amazing how god protects such a little piece of land from all those millions of surrounding nations that dont seem to want them there. i wonder if during the holocaust you told a nazi about the bibles prophecy that this starved jewish prisoner would have his own nation and even be a military force in the very near future if he would have laughed.
 
Blazn

This is a discussion forum not a link registry. I use links to check if what I'm saying is right, not to let them answer for me.
That's strange, Christians and Muslims alike say they have prophecies in their scriptures, but when being asked for them they give you a non-prophecy or no prophecy at all. I shall wait again for another opportunity to ask for one.

I think Israel is protected not by God but by its own army, the US government and US military supplies, and the chronic deficiency of Arab armies.
 
dont forget that Israel is now a spiritual nation not a litral nation , and they are spiritual israelites taken from all different nations to make up the israel of God
This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘It will be in those days that ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will actually take hold of the skirt of a man who is a Jew, saying: "We will go with YOU people, for we have heard [that] God is with YOU people.... Zechariah 8;23


But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God.......romans 2;29

(Philippians 3:3) For we are those with the real circumcision, who are rendering sacred service by God’s spirit and have our boasting in Christ Jesus and do not have our confidence in the flesh

But now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast, that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit, and not in the old sense by the written code....romans 7;6

In this way, therefore, at the present season also a remnant has turned up according to a choosing due to undeserved kindness. ...romans 11;5

[and not according to fleshly Israelite descent].

For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation [is something]. And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God...galations 6; 15-16

People who now belong to Gentile nations will not come under any world rule of such natural, circumcised Israelites. Rather, all nationalities, including the fleshly Jews, will come under the world rule of the heavenly "twelve tribes" of spiritual Israel, along with its King Jesus Christ, at God’s due time, shortly
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(Revelation 7:9) After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands


 
Every religious person, Jew or Christian, is criticizing Israel for NOT being a spiritual nation, for being too secularised.
Some religious Jews don't even accept the state of Israel, because it has been created by men and not by God.
 
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