Mysticism in The Matrix

For those of you who don’t know a new religion called Matrixism has been carved from the movie “The Matrix.” It is a little out there for my tastes but in the interest of religious discussion I thought we might debate whether or not it is a mystical tradition.

It seems to me that “recognition of the semi-subjective multi-layered nature of reality” might just qualify it in and of itself.

 

(Discussion in ‘Modern Religions‘ started by MalcomRazorMay 5, 2005)

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Scriptural infallibility

The Catholic Church says:

“Since everything asserted by the inspired authors or sacred writers must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit, it follows that the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation.” (Dei Verbum)

This is a conditional statement. The gist of the argument is Scripture is infallible when it comes to its object – the Revelation of God and the salvation of humanity – but not inerrant in everything that is written is necessarily true.

Can I ask how other traditions view their Sacred Scriptures in light of the following:

1: The (divine) transmission of a Revelation is infallible.
2: The (human) reception of a it might well not be.

Thoughts …

 

(Discussion in ‘Belief and Spirituality‘ started by Thomas 2/10/2021)

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What is God’s Law?

Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them.”

What is God’s law? Is it the eternal Divine principle, or is it a set of laws written in men’s books, requiring all sorts of clothing and diet and hand-washing and prayer times and other ritual demands, depending on the particular religion and scripture

What law did Jesus come to fulfil: the former or the latter?

 

 

(Discussion in ‘Belief and Spirituality‘ started by RJM Corbet 2/10/2021)

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What is Gnosticism?

I have seen a few different definitions of Gnosticism. Some define Gnosticism as a continuous movement, treating sects like the Sethians and Valentinians as schools of thought within it. Others view Gnosticism as a distinct school of thought, which some sects included in a way a sect might include Docetism or Trinitarianism. Still, I have seen others define Gnosticism by example, as an umbrella term for a variety of sects. There is also a select niche of scholars who argue that Gnosticism is a modern construct, and not something that existed before the 17th century.

There are a few edge cases. Marcionism, Catharism, Manichaeism, and Swedenborgianism are four schools of thought that I see consistent disagreement on whether they count as Gnostic or not. Discussions on each of these might warrant their own threads and help us narrow our own definitions.

I have seen two major listings of what beliefs group Gnostic sects together in general terms. The first is a short list:

  • Dualistic cosmology (spirit vs matter)
  • Dualistic theology (Monad vs Demiurge)
  • Salvation through Gnosis

The second is a longer list, which I have taken from GnosisForAll:

  • A belief in hidden salvific knowledge, and in personal experiental revelation of the divine – gnosis.
  • A pronounced spirit/matter duality with a negative view of the latter. In most Gnostic traditions this duality was produced by a divine mistake or catastrophe that resulted in both the genesis of the material world and its imperfect nature (see the fall of Sophia and other such accounts).
  • A ‘Demiurgic’ figure(s) responsible for shaping the material cosmos – who is not only seperate from the highest transcendent God (the Monad), but in fact quite far removed from such.
  • An emanationist scheme of divine beings (Aeons) that stretches from the highest unknowable God at the very top, down to the material world.
  • A belief in a Saviour/revealer figure(s), who has descended down from the Pleroma (the divine, spiritual world above) in order to help free humanity and teach salvific gnosis.
  • A belief in a ‘divine spark’ (Pneuma) carried within us all. A piece of the divine sundered from its source, which in station is exalted far above the material world in which it finds itself, and which longs to escape the cycle of incarnation in order to return to its home in the Pleroma above. As such, to the ancient Gnostics, knowledge of God and knowledge of the self were but one and the same.

How do you feel about these definitions? Do you see Gnosticism as a meaningful label? Is it its own doctrine, a broader movement, or a group of related sects? What beliefs do you see as defining Gnosticism?

I personally see Gnosticism as its own doctrine and see the short list as defining the bare minimum beliefs. Do you think I’m being too strict? Not strict enough? Do you have your own criteria? Let the forum know in a reply! This is a divisive topic, so it’s good to get a variety of opinions out there.

 

(Discussion in ‘Esoteric‘ started by Ella S. 2/10/2021)

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What does Dharma mean in your faith?

What is the meaning of the term “Dharma”, in your faith?

Is it a set of obligations?

Is it a set of teachings?

Is it an abstract set of “natural laws” and phenomena?

How does an adherent of your faith gain knowledge of their Dharma?

 

 

(Discussion in ‘Eastern Religions and Philosophies’ started by CinoSep 13, 2021)

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The twelve powers

It doesn’t matter who you are or what you do you need assistance.

If you are a CEO you bring on accountants, HR people, project managers, marketing…

If a contractor you need those skilled in electrical, mechanical, framing, brick laying..

As we go thru life we gather companions that make us laugh, listen well, and have skills we wish to learn or strengthen.

In Unity we examine the disciples that Jesus gathered and what they brought to the table. We believe that like all relationships it was a trade…not just what they learned from him, but also what he learned from them…and how they helped quicken his understanding of the various traits he must master and overcome.

For me initially studying this was more of a thought exercise, a contemplation. Is it a belief set in stone? Not for me, yet I have gained insight on my reactions and understandings by studying and attempting to trick Filmore’s assertions. Especially the most troubling….Judas represents Life? What?

https://www.unity.org/resources/twelve-powers/twelve-powers

 

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November 28th commemorates the passing of Abdul-Baha

Abdul-Baha was the Son of Baha’u’llah and designated the interpreter of His Father’s Writings. For a brief review of His life see:

https://www.bahai.org/abdul-baha/life-abdul-baha#:~:text=The Life of ‘Abdu’l‑Bahá On the evening of,same evening, a baby was born in Tehran.

Also see the construction of the Shrine of Abdul-Baha:
https://news.bahai.org/story/1497/

Less than five months before His ascension, ‘Abdu’l-Baha had beseeched God for release from this world

The night of July l0th 1921 ‘Abdu’l-Baha was on Mount Carmel by the Shrine of the Bab. There, He revealed a Tablet and a prayer in honour of a ‘kinsman of the Bab’, who had died recently. [He was the father of the Hand of the Cause Balyuzi, who had died in Tihran, on May 6th]. Abdu’l-Baha beseeched God, in that prayer, for His own release from this world. He spoke of His ‘loneliness’, of being ‘broken-winged’, ‘submerged in seas of sorrows’: ‘O Lord! My bones are weakened, and the hoar hairs glisten on My head … and I have now reached old age, failing in My powers … No strength is there left in Me wherewith to arise and serve Thy loved ones … O Lord, My Lord! Hasten My ascension unto Thy sublime Threshold … and My arrival at the Door of Thy grace beneath the shadow of Thy most great mercy .. .’

That prayer was answered less than five months later. He passed away in the early hours of November 28th. The physician, who was summoned to His bedside at that hour, and closed His eyes, was Dr Florian Krug of New York, the same man who once bitterly resented the Faith of Baha’u’llah, and wanted alienists to examine his wife because of her intense devotion to it. He had now come, a pilgrim, with his wife [Grace], and ‘Abdu’l-Baha had allocated them a room in the compound of His own house… Other Western pilgrims present in Haifa at that poignant hour were Louise and John Bosch from California, Ethel Rosenberg from London, and Fraulein Johanna Hauff from Stuttgart were the Western pilgrims present in Haifa at that poignant hour, as well as Curtis Kelsey from the United States, who was in Haifa to attend to electrical installations in the Shrine of the Bab.

– Adapted from H.M. Balyuzi, ‘Abdu’l-Baha The Center of the Covenant of Baha’u’llah’, p. 452-463

‘Abdu’l-Baha knew the time of His passing

We have now come to realize that the Master, (i.e., ‘Abdu’l-Baha) knew the day and hour when, His mission on earth being finished, He would return to the shelter of heaven. He was, however, careful that His family should not have any premonition of the coming sorrow. It seemed as though their eyes were veiled by Him, with His ever-loving consideration for His dear ones, that they should not see the significance of certain dreams and other signs of the culminating event. This they now realize was His thought for them, in order that their strength be preserved to face the great ordeal when it should arrive, that they should not be devitalized by anguish of mind in its anticipation. Out of the many signs of the approach of the hour when He could say of His work on earth, “It is finished,” the following two dreams seem remarkable. Less than eight weeks before His passing the Master related this to His family:

“I seemed to be standing within a great temple, in the inmost shrine, facing the east, in the place of the leader himself. I became aware that a large number of people were flocking into the temple; and yet more crowded in, taking their places in rows behind me, until there was a vast multitude. As I stood I raised loudly the ‘Call to Prayer.’ Suddenly the thought came to me to go forth from the temple. When I found myself outside I said within myself, ‘For what reason came I forth, not having led the prayer? But it matters not; now that I have uttered the call to prayer, the vast multitude will of themselves chant the prayer’.”

When the Master had passed away, His family pondered over this dream and interpreted it thus .

https://www.upliftingwords.org/post/ascension-of-abdul-baha-devotional-program

 

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The Book of Lights

ScholarlySeeker said: 

Gershom Sholem, the great Kabbalistic scholar

 

I recently re-read a book by Chaim Potok which I had read as a teenager: The Book of Lights. In it are portrayed two Jewish scholars, a Qabbalist and a Talmudist, cleverly called “Keter” for the qabbalist and “Malkuson” for the talmudist.

I think the figure of Keter was inspired by Sholem, right down to his looks, just as Saul Lieberman inspired the figure of the talmudist.

Has anyone else read the book? @RabbiO maybe? What do you think of my theory?

The story takes place in the early 50ies of the twentieth century, against the backdrop of the recently ended World War and the ongoing Korean War. It is filled with imagery related to light, from beautiful descriptions of sunlight playing on water, to the “death light” of the atomic bomb which left the shadow of a clerk etched onto the concrete wall of a bank in Hiroshima. Plus copious amounts of Qabbalistic symbolism and a portrayal of the struggle with the problem of evil, as tacked by some schools of Qabbala.

Good read, compelling story, and (I think) accurate portrayal of the subject matter.

Oh, and there are a few physicists in the story as well. What’s not to like?

 

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