Antisemitism Conspiracy, and PIGS

[radarmark]

Huh? some crosses and stars on coins do not mean they were used in Jerusalem (other than as coins).

The cross was used (a lot more) as a means to kill.

And, no, artists' conceptions of what Jerusalem looked like are not proof.

It is real, real easy... show me any academic or historical text (from Christian, atheist. Wahabi, Buddhist, whatever) that has the cross provide any religious symbolism in Judaism prior to 70.

Similarly, show the same for any mention of Josephus as a Roman or a Royal (except by association to his Jewish roots).

Find the same for any case that the Sol Invictus-Mithric-Iulius-Son cult was in any way or manner independent of its Zoroatrian roots.

And back to your first claim: show any evidence whatsever (your opinion does not count as evidene) that misogyny and anti-Semitism originated with the thoroughly Jewish Josephus.

That's all I need.

The problem with imaginary stories or conspiracy theories is once you start it the hole never gets shallower (Radar's Maxims, 2632).

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

 

[Divos]

Huh? some crosses and stars on coins do not mean they were used in Jerusalem (other than as coins).

All the Coins Prove that Herods Temple had "4 Pillers" and a symbol at the Top.

Before the Revolt - Its look liked a simple Cross
After the Revolt - Its looks like a Star of David

What was the Symbol ???? A Cross or a Star

At the end of the day, both the Cross and the Hexagram are Roman Symbols depicting Divus Iulius, Mithras, Jesus (Solar Deities).


For Some reason, Herod's Temple, is the Dome of Rock, which resemble the Temple of Mars

Note that Roman Temples had specific Designs features, numbers of pillers, Roof shape, for each individual god.


Here is a Herod Coin
Star of David: Coin of Herod the Great

A six-pointed star appears on the reverse of one of the coins of Herod the Great (73-4 BCE) along with a military helmet, wreath, and two palm branches.

Hundreds of Jewish Sites depicts this as the "Star of David* or Star of Bethleham

This is not a Star of David, its the "Sidus Iulium" (Star of Caesar)

(above is herods Coin

10215. JUDAEA, HERODIAN KINGS, HEROD I (THE GREAT), 40-4 BC, Copper eight protot, Hendin 486, TJC 44, AJC II 1, Choice VF, 25mm, Samaria mint, 40 B.C.; obverse HRWDOU BASILEWS (of King Herod), tripod, ceremonial bowl (lebes) above, LG - P (= year 3 of the tetrarchy = 40 B.C.) across fields; reverse military helmet facing, decorated with ivy?, with cheek pieces and straps, wreathed with acanthus leaves, star above, flanked by two palm-branches. Excellent contrasting patina. Historic coin of the Herod of the Bible. The largest denomination of coins Herod issued. An excellent example with great contrasting patina.

EdgarLOwen.com ANCIENT GREEK COINS (The East)

Caesar with Acanthus leaves

Here is Moon-Star Symbol (and Caesar)

27 BC - 14 AD.

The Islam/Jewish/Christian Symbols ALL related to Divus Iulius

 

[Dream]

The question is "What Ideology", Judaism/Caesar Worship?, Jesus did say "Give to Caesar, what is Caesar" (This is the bible adverting the Roman Empire, which the bibles punned as being the Kingdom of Heaven), according to Josephus, its was Jews(Torah Followers) that plunged into the Sea, is it because they not worship Caesar, (Monotheistic Caesar God), evidence on coins below

Thanks for responding.

You aren't saying why you think these things, and it is like saying your opinion is a fact. You think Jesus is adverting the Roman empire and that the Roman empire is his kingdom of God, but why do you think those things? Its a challenge, because facts are lost over time. I don't think that you can make a case for what you're thinking. You are talking about 'What you think' in a way that seems to be telling me 'What is'.

The passage in Josephus doesn't connect with the story of Jesus and the Gadarenes. I don't see what Josephus passage has to do with pigs or Jesus at all. It is like you are telling me to walk through a mountain without seeing that one must travel over or around. Josephus was a historian, so he told about many battles and massacres including ones with water but not all had water. Just because there is water, it doesn't make it commentary on the story of the Gadarenes. I think you have an idea, and you are missing necessary details. If I see something that will help I will let you know.

This coin shows the historical Crucifixion
(The Sacred cross of Caesar, which symbolized VICTORY, when Jesus was upon the Cross, this is symbol of Victory)

Its still just scattered thoughts you've got here. You need some kind of connection between the loose parts, plus you're ignoring all the scholars who've been looking at these things already. What do they say about it? Whose coins are those, and what do the archeologists think?

 

[radarmark]

Again, some proof, not opinion. The coins do not depict anything more than a coin. If you are saying they are pictures of the Temple, I think they are more like crude sketches and the cross or star is just adornment to the doin (not the Temple).

For someone who earlier stated "there was no Israel" this seems fairly improtant to you.

And how in the heck do you get Jewish symbols related to the Iulius cult? Sheer happenstance. And the last coin signifies the connection to Islam? Maybe in your mind. All I see is a (possibly) Roman coin with what looks like a crescent moon and star on the back. What is the connection?

I can put a whole bunch of seashells into a box, shake it up, and pick one out blindfolded and then weave some story about it looks like..... It is like the game we play when children when we ask "what does that cloud look like?'

You have disconnected (at least thoughly causally disconnected) things that you are building your arguement on, again, not one iota, one speck of evidence.

I wish you would so something but make illogical and inconsistent assertions.

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

 

[Divos]

For someone who earlier stated "there was no Israel" this seems fairly improtant to you.

And how in the heck do you get Jewish symbols related to the Iulius cult? Sheer happenstance.

Israel never exited within the Roman Empire, only that of Judea and the rest of the Empire, Judea was a ROMAN Province, Herod was a Puppet King, and they worshiped Roman Gods (Iove>yhwh), They were subject to ROMAN religion.

And the Star is the Comet of Caesar (44BC)

Here is some Archaeological Proof
Deception & Lies Built Christianity in 325 CE (7/10) - YouTube!

 

[radarmark]

Ah, now I get it, when Israel fell to the Selecids, it ceased to be because of a name change. I suppose the same was true in 132 when it became Palestine. Fine, I was using the term as refering to the continuing people of the Judaic faith who populated it.

The star still is just a star (again, a very poor picture since one can never see a star within the horns of a cresant moon). Just because the coin exists does not mean it has anything whatsoever to do with the classic moon and star of Islam.

I hate to point it out but even Roman historians bear witness to the fact that Judaism was practiced in the Empire and that Temple Judaism was continuius up to the destruction of the temple (see Josephus, for one).

Can you really not see that all you "evidence" consists of are connections you have created in your mind?

Again, where is your proof there was no misogyny or anti-Semitism before Josphus?
Where is your proof of this Mithra/Sol/Iulius cult that originated with Caeser?
Where is your proof that the cross was used for anything in Judea other than as a means of execution?
Where is your proof that there is any link whatsoever between the Iulius cult and Jesus?
Where is your proof that Josephus and Pliny wrote the Gospels?

Alas, poor Divos, the proof is in your head.

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

 

[Divos]

Where is your proof of this Mithra/Sol/Iulius cult that originated with Caeser?
--Divus Iulius is Julius Caesar, whom created the Solar Calender

Where is your proof that the cross was used for anything in Judea other than as a means of execution?
--Its a Trophy/Cruciform Tropauem, I shows you the Coin which reads Judea


Where is your proof that there is any link whatsoever between the Iulius cult and Jesus?
-- There is an entire book about it Divus Julius - English

Where is your proof that Josephus and Pliny wrote the Gospels?
-- What is you proof that Invisible people, lacking no Historic Basis wrote the Gospels?

 

[Divos]

Thanks for responding.

You aren't saying why you think these things, and it is like saying your opinion is a fact. You think Jesus is adverting the Roman empire and that the Roman empire is his kingdom of God, but why do you think those things? Its a challenge, because facts are lost over time. I don't think that you can make a case for what you're thinking. You are talking about 'What you think' in a way that seems to be telling me 'What is'.

The passage in Josephus doesn't connect with the story of Jesus and the Gadarenes. I don't see what Josephus passage has to do with pigs or Jesus at all. It is like you are telling me to walk through a mountain without seeing that one must travel over or around. Josephus was a historian, so he told about many battles and massacres including ones with water but not all had water. Just because there is water, it doesn't make it commentary on the story of the Gadarenes. I think you have an idea, and you are missing necessary details. If I see something that will help I will let you know.

Its still just scattered thoughts you've got here. You need some kind of connection between the loose parts, plus you're ignoring all the scholars who've been looking at these things already. What do they say about it? Whose coins are those, and what do the archeologists think?

"Kingdom of God/Heaven" or in its Greek Original "Basileia tou Theou"
The Greek word for "Roman Empire" is "Basileia Rhōmaiōn"

Kingdom of God is the same as Empire of God (God's Empire), why would "Heaven" be a Kingdom or an Empire, who is the King?, who is the Emperor?

The term "Basileia" is derived from Plato's Atlantis, which was a Royal Palace/Citadel upon the Center of Atlantis.

After Augustus established the hereditary, one-man rule in Rome that we refer to as the Roman (Basileia)Empire

Augustus is titled "Son of God" or "divi filius", (Son of Divos)

Gaius Julius Caesar was elavated to the status of "GOD" upon his funeral, he became known as "Divus Iulius", and the Latin "Divus" is translated in Greek as "Theo"

This is a Temple to Divus Iulius

Here is a Greek Coin depicting Julius Caesar

Upon the Left, they are 4 Greek Letters that spell "THEO" (GOD)

The term "Kingdom of God" (Basileia tou Theou) literally means "The Empire of Caesar", which is the Roman Empire.

Julius Caesar Also had the title "Pater Patriae" which mean "Father of the Country"
the term pope(papa) is derived from "Pater Patriae" as did Patriarch

Julius Caesar was also Priest, and a Sacrosanct (where we get "Holy")
Julius Caesar was Pontifax Maximus (where we get "Pontiff")
Julius Caesar was the first historical Roman to be officially deified.

The most famous quote of Caesar is "I am not King, I am Caesar", and in the bible it states, "We have no king but Caesar" , its the same quote, one is First Person, the other is third.

I am not King, I am Caesar
We have no king but Caesar

Julius Caesar is GOD(THEOU), and the Holy Father of the Roman Empire(Basileia)
therefor, Kingdom of God = The Roman Empire

 

[Dream]

You are suggesting a lot of things that have similar appearances yet are not necessarily linked. I know of a couple situations that warn against taking such appearances too seriously. Even though Caesar at some point chose to be called a god and although you feel there are other peculiar coincidences, they don't amount to a reason or to an argument. They are more like an interesting phenomenon like a natural bridge or a cavern. They are kind of cool, but that is all. A reason or an argument is more solid, and a scholarly argument should always point out its own weaknesses. That way the next person can focus on those weaknesses and either overturn the argument or strengthen it. You need that when working with these kinds of historical bits.

Have you ever read the similarities between the assassinations of the US presidents Abe Lincoln and John Kennedy? The similarities are striking, so that you might think they were the same person. You can read them here. They are striking, amazing, yet the two presidents lived in different centuries and never met. They were completely unrelated to one another except that they were both presidents.

Have you ever heard of Jacob Bryant? (lived 1715-1804) He is a famous mythographer who also liked to find similarities like you are doing, and he developed a system like you're doing. Everything about his system was looking great, but it wasn't what it appeared to be. His book is available for free on the internet, because it is past copyright and has been scanned in.

 

[Divos]

What I am saying is that even though Caesar at some point chose to be called a god

That is not true, he did not make himself into a GOD, HIS PEOPLE turned HIM into a GOD, and was Defied, and it became an Official Roman Religion soon after his Funeral, the Comet that appeared in 44BC (Sidus Divus/Star of David/Star of Bethlehem), encourage his divinity even more.

Jesus-Yahweh-Allah-Yuletide--Statue of Liberty- Mithras-Sol Invictus-Christmas-Easter-The "Roman Empire" are attributes of his DIVINITY. You have no idea how Influential he is, in shaping today, We use his Calender(more reformed of Course), the American Political System, Religion, Every European Queen/King/Popes and US Presidents Family Trees are interlinks with his, leaps years, Julius Caesar was the first Roman emperor to issue coinage bearing his own name, he inventing encryption, everything today, is all because of him

 

[Dream]

Sorry but it is saying too much. There was an emperor named Julius, and he was called divine toward the end of his reign throughout most of the Fertile Crescent. He cared little for Jews and was head of a country that had slaughtered many. I'm not reading a proper historical book but going by this wikipedia document Historians say he had himself declared 'Dictator in Perpetuity' and in stages worked to have himself elevated to godhood, and it was one of the justifications they had for assassinating him. He had a priest unto himself already, named Mark Antony; so that priest could offer him sacrifices and prayers as to a god. Perhaps he had gone insane by that time, or perhaps he just wanted to find out if he could become a real god, or perhaps it was politically expedient or an entertainment to him.

Shortly before his assassination, the senate named him censor for life and Father of the Fatherland, and the month of Quintilis was renamed July in his honor. He was granted further honors, which were later used to justify his assassination as a would-be divine monarch; coins were issued bearing his image and his statue was placed next to those of the kings. He was granted a golden chair in the senate house, allowed to wear triumphal dress whenever he chose, and was offered a form of semi-official or popular cult, with Mark Antony as his high priest.

 

[radarmark]

Where is your proof of this Mithra/Sol/Iulius cult that originated with Caeser?
--Divus Iulius is Julius Caesar, whom created the Solar Calender

Because he originated the solar calendar does not mean he somehow miraculously went back to Zoroaster's time and caused him to write about Mithra. Mithric rites existed at least 500 years before Caesaer was ever born (strike one).

Where is your proof that the cross was used for anything in Judea other than as a means of execution?
--Its a Trophy/Cruciform Tropauem, I shows you the Coin which reads Judea

I have a coin that depicts the World Trade Center incribed with "September 11, 2001". If someone like you finds it in 2000 years they could claim the coin was proof of my forknowledge of the event. One isolated fact or thing which is subject to numerous interpretations is not proof by any means. Using this distorted logic if Newton's apple had fallen on a drumhead and bounced we would still be seeking an equation for gravity (strike two).

Where is your proof that there is any link whatsoever between the Iulius cult and Jesus?
-- There is an entire book about it Divus Julius - English

That was easy, not one scholarly review or paper. Whomsoever this Carotta is, he is claerly not just an outlyer, but one that is safely ignored by academia. I once read a book about Adam Weishaupt murtdering and taking the place of George Washington. Unforunately it had been written by a well-known satirist with a long history of drug use who was later hospitalized. I would probably read the book (and may order it from the library), but one book (per my example) proves nothing. Oh, and a book is not proof, examples ffrom the book like reasoned arguements or newly discovered latin texts or archeological evidence would be. It is just as if I had told someone who asked me about the Michelson-Morley experiment to go read Einstein's Special Relativity in the German instead of explaining what the experiment was and its results (strike three).

Where is your proof that Josephus and Pliny wrote the Gospels?
-- What is you proof that Invisible people, lacking no Historic Basis wrote the Gospels?

Well, let me see here, this is precisly where we started. All the movies and wishes in the world can never proove that Bacon wrote Shakespeare. Me writing down all the names of all of GB Shaw's plays one under eash other and then erasing all the letters but "SIRWINSTONLEONARDSPENSERCHRUCHILL" does not proove that he wrote the plays. No, my frind, the burden of proof is on you to show how:

1) the Jews (or authors of the Gospels, you are not clear on this) were Invisible,
2) the Jews (or authors of the Gospels, per #1) lack historical basis, and
3) that the texts of the Gospels can be traced to Josephus' or Pliny's hand.

More bluntly, Socrates (if we accept your arguement) is invisible and lacks historical basis because we have nothing even written in his hand. Alexander and Caesar are invisible and lack historical basis because we have nothing in their handwriting. Rational thought and the growth of knowledge are predicated on assuming a building of knowledge, not on the basis of "because I siad so". (strike four, you are outta there, baby!)

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

 

[Divos]

There was an emperor named Julius

Julius was not an Emperor he was Imperator, he is never referred as an Emperor, only his successor, Son of God, Augustus.

he was called divine toward the end of his reign

He was Divine Upon and after his Funeral

He cared little for Jews

Temple Mount Moriah(divus iulius) would not have being built without his help, the Jews, look up JC has a Savior, he permitted there Religions, (for he is Priest)

JULIUS CAESAR° (c. 100–44 B.C.E.), Roman leader. During the civil war between him and Pompey (49 B.C.E.), Caesar freed *Aristobulus II, the deposed ruler of Judea, planning to send him to Syria, along with troops to aid him to recover his throne. Pompey's supporters, however, succeeded in poisoning Aristobulus before he could leave Rome (cf. Dio Cassius 41:18, 1). At the same time, Hyrcanus II and Antipater, in common with the other vassal rulers in the East, remained loyal to Pompey and even sent him troops for the battle of Pharsalus (48 B.C.E.); but after Caesar's victory and his conquest of the Orient, they went over to the side of the victor. When Caesar besieged Alexandria, Hyrcanus was one of the Oriental rulers who sent him reinforcements, and Hyrcanus's letter influenced the Jews living in the "territory of Onias" to grant the invading army free passage. Upon his return to Syria, Caesar ratified Hyrcanus' appointment as high priest and granted Antipater Roman citizenship and exemption from taxes. The efforts of Aristobulus' younger son Antigonus to turn Caesar against Hyrcanus and Antipater met with failure. At the same time, Caesar nullified Gabinius' Judean settlement and even attempted to correct some of Pompey's abuses against the Jews. In a series of decrees and through decisions made by the Senate at his instigation, Caesar instituted a new administration in Judea. He permitted the reconstruction of the walls of Jerusalem, restored to Judea the port of Jaffa, and confirmed Hyrcanus and his descendants after him as high priests and ethnarchs of Judea. Hyrcanus' realm now included Judea, Jaffa, and the Jewish settlements in Galilee and Transjordan. He also ratified Hyrcanus' ownership of the Hasmonean territory in the "Great Valley of Jezreel." The annual taxation of Judea was set as 12.5% of the produce of the land, with total exemption during the sabbatical year. Extortion by the military was forbidden under any pretext. Caesar's settlement favored the continued rise of the House of Antipater. Caesar permitted Jewish organization in the Diaspora, and his tolerant attitude to Diaspora Jewry was emulated by the rulers of the provinces. Caesar's enmity toward Pompey, who had conquered Jerusalem and defiled the Holy of Holies, led to a positive attitude toward him among the Jews. His restoration of the unity of Judea, his deference toward the high priest, Hyrcanus II, and his tolerant attitude toward the Diaspora Jews increased the sympathy of the Jewish masses for him. When he was assassinated, he was mourned by the Jews more than by any other nation, and for a long time after they continued to weep over his tomb both by day and night (Suetonius, Divus Iulius, 84).

He had a priest unto himself already, named Mark Antony; so that priest could offer him sacrifices and prayers as to a god. Perhaps he had gone insane by that time

JC was Pontifax Maximus, he was Highest of Priest, Mark second to him, his Priesthood extended to Egypt and Judea, in fact, Lambs where sacrificed upon the Passover for Jupiter upon Moriah(Mount Mars), its no difference to Jews of today, it was more of a Feast then a Sacrifice.

he had gone insane by that time, or perhaps he just wanted to find out if he could become a real god

No

 

[Divos]

Because he originated the solar calendar does not mean he somehow miraculously went back to Zoroaster's time and caused him to write about Mithra. Mithric rites existed at least 500 years before Caesaer was ever born (strike one).

Julius Caesar reformed his Calender with the Help of Egyptian Priests (whom the Solar Calender Came From), they are theories that Zoroastrians assisted upon the creation.

I have noticed that the Rise of Solar Deities in the Roman Empire coincides with the Rise of the Solar Calender, and December 25th (which is insignificant on a Lunar Calender)


Zoroastrian Mithra and Roman Mithras are not the same , and many would quote the same.

 

[radarmark]

Julius was not an Emperor he was Imperator, he is never referred as an Emperor, only his successor, Son of God, Augustus.
He was Divine Upon and after his Funeral

Wrong, the term "Imperator" is the english root of "emperor". Please do not make us use the ancient words we are using English. Caesar was a man who was "made divine" by the Roman Senate. To claim his divinity based on this is the same as claiming JFK would be divine if the COngress passed a bill saying so. Your use of "Emperor" and "Divine" are both non standard--please use English.

Temple Mount Moriah(divus iulius) would not have being built without his help, the Jews, look up JC has a Savior, he permitted there Religions, (for he is Priest)

Wrong again. The Temple was built during the time of Darius (500 years before Caeser) and rennovated by Herod well after his death. Caesar had nothing, could have had nothing to do with the Second Temple or its rennovation. The relgion practiced therein (untill the Seleucid era) was thoroughly Judaic. Once the Seleucids were kicked out the Judaic religion resumed, until destroyed by Titus. And Caesar (1) never visited Jerusalem and (2) was never a Levite (priest of the Temple).

JC was Pontifax Maximus, he was Highest of Priest, Mark second to him, his Priesthood extended to Egypt and Judea, in fact, Lambs where sacrificed upon the Passover for Jupiter upon Moriah(Mount Mars), its no difference to Jews of today, it was more of a Feast then a Sacrifice.

No, see above, gaius julius caesar (GC, for how his initials would have used the initials) was never in Jerusalem. He was never high priest (he died long before Mark, if you mean the Mark of the Gospels, who also was not a priest, was born). There is absolutely no proof (other than the conspiracy theory in Divos' head) that any offering was made to Jupiter in the Second Temple. There is also ho historical basis for linking Moriah with Mars.

Lastly--you can say "the Roman and Zoroastrian Mithras were not the same" until the cows come home... give us the proof! Mithra and the Mithric rites trace to the Zoroastrian diety/spirit according to any and all historical or archeological documentation. If you are saying this is not correct, the burden of proof is on you, my friend.

Still waiting for an explanation as to how Josephus created misogyny and anst-Semitism (how can you keep posting such extraneous material when your basic theses remains like the Emperor, unclothed?)

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

 

[radarmark]

julius caesar reformed his calender with the help of egyptian priests (whom the solar calender came from), they are theories that zoroastrians assisted upon the creation.

I have noticed that the rise of solar deities in the roman empire coincides with the rise of the solar calender, and december 25th (which is insignificant on a lunar calender)


zoroastrian mithra and roman mithras are not the same , and many would quote the same.

rotflol!:d

 

[Divos]

Wrong, the term "Imperator" is the english root of "emperor". Please do not make us use the ancient words we are using English. Caesar was a man who was "made divine" by the Roman Senate. To claim his divinity based on this is the same as claiming JFK would be divine if the COngress passed a bill saying so. Your use of "Emperor" and "Divine" are both non standard--please use English.



Wrong again. The Temple was built during the time of Darius (500 years before Caeser) and rennovated by Herod well after his death. Caesar had nothing, could have had nothing to do with the Second Temple or its rennovation. The relgion practiced therein (untill the Seleucid era) was thoroughly Judaic. Once the Seleucids were kicked out the Judaic religion resumed, until destroyed by Titus. And Caesar (1) never visited Jerusalem and (2) was never a Levite (priest of the Temple).

Julius Caesar was Priest, and Judea was a ROMAN Province,

Herod did not rebuild Anything, its was a NEW Temple, in fact there is not enough proof, that specific location was the Temple of Solomon-ezer

Found in Jerusalem, Six-Pointed Apex Hat, its Roman

 

[radarmark]

Finally, proof you are off the chart. Anyone who can ignore the writing of the Selecids and Romans and Jews so utterly is, do you see a Doctor?

1) Gaius Julius Caesar was Roman, not Jewish,
2) If he was a priest he was a priest in some Roman cult,
3) He could not have been a Levite and therefore not a priest of the Temple of Jerusalem,
4) The Second Temple predated the Seleucids and Alexander according to the OT,
5) The Second Temple d being of great antiquity (real simple, just look up Second temple in Google Scholor ot go to the Dead Sea Scrolls or Josephus),
6) Since again you are fabricating claims that fly into the historical legacy of 2500 years or so, it is up to you to proove (I know this is a hard concept for you) that Herod built the Second Temple.

How can you, with a straight face, use Josephus as a source and then contradict him so totally with you baseless imaginations?

P.S. I did not claim that the Second Temple was on the site of the first.

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

 

[Divos]

1) Gaius Julius Caesar was Roman, not Jewish
-- "Judean" not "Jewish"
-- Judea was a ROMAN Province

2) If he was a priest he was a priest in some Roman cult,
-- He was PONTIFAX MAXIMUS/Archieros Megistos,which means he was head of ALL the Roman Religions, and Judaea.

3) He could not have been a Levite and therefore not a priest of the Temple of Jerusalem
-- Pontifax Maximus, during the construction of the Temple, the Pontiff was Aemilius Lepidus,after which was Augustus


4) The Second Temple predated the Seleucids and Alexander according to the OT,
-- according ?

5) The Second Temple d being of great antiquity (real simple, just look up Second temple in Google Scholor ot go to the Dead Sea Scrolls or Josephus),
-- Dead Sea Scrolls fails to identify locations


6) Since again you are fabricating claims that fly into the historical legacy of 2500 years or so, it is up to you to proove (I know this is a hard concept for you) that Herod built the Second Temple.
-- First Temple (Herod) Second Temple (Hadrian)


P.S. I did not claim that the Second Temple was on the site of the first.
-- Then its a "First Temple" or "A Brand New Temple"

 

[radarmark]

1) Gaius Julius Caesar was Roman, not Jewish
-- "Judean" not "Jewish"
-- Judea was a ROMAN Province

Excuse me for using English, not some dead language (see OED for definition of Jew). Using your logic Leopold I was Congolese. Makes sense if one is living in a fantasy.

2) If he was a priest he was a priest in some Roman cult,
-- He was PONTIFAX MAXIMUS/Archieros Megistos,which means he was head of ALL the Roman Religions, and Judaea.

The Roman Religion then included the Temple so he was a priest in the Temple? The logic here is on par with "I see what I eat therefore I eat what I see". Can you spell "alice in wonderland"?

3) He could not have been a Levite and therefore not a priest of the Temple of Jerusalem
-- Pontifax Maximus, during the construction of the Temple, the Pontiff was Aemilius Lepidus,after which was Augustus

No, again, you are asserting that Herod built the Second Temple, he did not (see, if nothing else, I-III Maccabees). And because the Romans supported the pretender Herod and Herod or this Lepidus built the Temple (a point not proven) it makes Giaus Caesar a priest in the temple? Wow, the US of A built a bunch of Mosques in Afghanistan, does that make Obama a mullah? What are you smoking?

4) The Second Temple predated the Seleucids and Alexander according to the OT,
-- according ?

Per the above, see I-III Macabees. Or De Bellus Antiquitus (from 200 BCE) or somebody named Jospehus. (oh, you know about him but do not think his Antiquities or Against Apion--where he expressly talks about the Second Temple as existing from antiquity--are worthy of consideration?) Whatever it is, I want some, I can borrow a bong, dude!

5) The Second Temple being of great antiquity (real simple, just look up Second temple in Google Scholor ot go to the Dead Sea Scrolls or Josephus),
-- Dead Sea Scrolls fails to identify locations

Wrong, the scrolls identify that the Temple is The Second Temple located in Jerusalem. Or, if Google Scholor is too much for you, look up "Second Temple on you fav, wikipedia. And per the previous response, what do I have to do give you line numbers in Jewish War, Antiquities or Against Apion? Because you ignored the other two sources I gave you, do not think I have. Have you ever had a history class?

6) Since again you are fabricating claims that fly into the historical legacy of 2500 years or so, it is up to you to proove (I know this is a hard concept for you) that Herod built the Second Temple.
-- First Temple (Herod) Second Temple (Hadrian)

Can we spell bogus? See previous two comments. Are you adding that there was no First Temple (per the OT), aka "The Temple of Solomon" (PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE SAY YES)?

P.S. I did not claim that the Second Temple was on the site of the first.
-- Then its a "First Temple" or "A Brand New Temple"

No, again, I speak English, look up "First Temple" and "Second Temple" in OED. I was stating that what you added about not being on the same site has no bearing on what I said in post #38.... nada, zip! The First Temple, as ususally used by those of us who do not live in your head, is taken to refer to the Temple of Soloman as described in the OT. I am not claiming it existed or that the Second Temple was built on its site, so please do not add to the garbage you have already thrown up on this thread. The Second Temple, again as usually used in English by rational human beings, refers to the Temple the Persian King Darius allowed to be built circa 500 BCE. It is this structure (verified in OT and Persian records and in the aforementioned De Bellus Antiquitus or any of Josephus' works) that I am refering to. It was rennovated (meaning "to restore to an earlier condition", as by repairing or remodeling) by Herod (I believe you can find this in your favorite source, wikipedia).

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