Another Buddha??

[Bishadi]

The first comment ……………………….

So defining a reincarnation of a spirit/soul or whatever you wish to call the ‘thing’ moving forward in time, upon physical death…. Is speculative! There is a reality behind it but to describe that reality in actual physical application is much different than most have the knowledge to comprehend. So they rely on opinions rather than do the homework………..

Then you stated

i don't think that anything moves forward upon the dissolution of the physical form, such a view is foreign to Buddha Dharma.

Then in response

First you said “I don’t think that’ and then close in suggesting the works of Buddha So you think nothing moves forward?

The your response


correct. there is nothing which transmigrates.

Then

Then how are you learning Buddha dharma?

Your response

through reading, studying and practicing.. the same way that most anybody learns about anything... which has nothing to do with transmigration

Knowledge continues; life continues; the ‘wake’ of our (time of experiencing/choice), continues.

What we do continues…

But transmigration is relating to reincarnations…. And they don’t exist in the form of dying and bringing your memories with you and then be born into another child; that is all beliefs, not reality.

The comment …………….Men live and walk, do and die; what they do is paramount for the energy that a person contributes (what they impose upon existence) is what lives beyond the grave

and you said

i don't believe that energy is transferred in this manner... and, even if it were, it would so completely impersonal as to be completely unrelated to self in any manner

Then what is dharma? What is poetry, art? Why would anyone read a book?

the comment ……….Or in a purely physical form; you as you stand; do you look like your parents? Your grandparents?

Your reply …

neither. i look like me

no matter how you like it; fact is; your parents contributed a seed (sperm/egg) to combine and make the new shade that is you…. you represent their whole lineage since the beginning of time and if you want to get technical; they all are alive, in you are you stand. But people want to think life is this body we experience with……

 

[Bishadi]

No such thing as energy itself has is mass affixed in time. The interrelation is not isolated from each other; hence point particles in reality, do not exist.

Your comment

indeed.. they are all probability clouds.

Oooops! That is old school…. Probability clouds are based in errors of current paradigm……. Are you up to speed to debate at this level or are you simply sharing what is currently accepted?

sure, that was demonstrated in General Relativity. gravity is accelerated motion. spacetime = mass + energy + times arrow.

GR is incorrect; no speed for light….t<0….

Newton shares the concept of gravity but did not share what gravity was; what you are sharing is the law of motion

Gravity is entangled energy between structures (see casimir/van der waals)

no, unless you posit a non sentient deity at which point why would it matter?

We are the ‘sentient’ being of existence. Consciousness it where mass experiences existence. God is this existence of all; we existence within all.

Otherwise the idea of god on some thrown simply isolates the conscious from experiencing God in all things.

 

[Vajradhara]

Namaste Bishadi,

thank you for the post.

Knowledge continues; life continues; the ‘wake’ of our (time of experiencing/choice), continues.

What we do continues…

But transmigration is relating to reincarnations…. And they don’t exist in the form of dying and bringing your memories with you and then be born into another child; that is all beliefs, not reality.

so.. we agree.. nothing transmigrates after the dissolution of the physical form.

Then what is dharma? What is poetry, art? Why would anyone read a book?

i'm unclear how these terms are remotely related to energy transference in any manner, perhaps you can elaborate?

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]dharma–derived from the Sanskrit root dhr meaning to hold up, to carry, to bear, to sustain. The word dharma refers to that which upholds or sustains the universe. Human society, for example, is sustained and upheld by the dharma performed by its members. For example, parents protecting and maintaining children, children being obedient to parents, the king protecting the citizens, are acts of dharma that uphold and sustain society. In this context dharma has the meaning of duty. Dharma also employs the meaning of law, religion, virtue, and ethics. These things uphold and sustain the proper functioning of human society. In philosophy dharma refers to the defining quality of an object. For instance, liquidity is one of the essential dharmas of water; coldness is a dharma of ice. In this case we can think that the existence of an object is sustained or defined by its essential attributes, dharmas.

poetry and art are rather subjective in that what one may consider it another may not. generically speaking, they are forms of artistic expression.

i suspect there are as many reasons for reading a book as their are books to read.

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no matter how you like it; fact is; your parents contributed a seed (sperm/egg) to combine and make the new shade that is you…. you represent their whole lineage since the beginning of time and if you want to get technical; they all are alive, in you are you stand. But people want to think life is this body we experience with……

i agree that sperm and ovum combined to make this physical form.. but that's not what you asked me.. you asked me who i look like, my parents or grandparents and the answer to that is that i look like neither of them, i look like me (that is to say this physical form).

the discussion of particular aspects of science would be more suited for the science forum rather than the Buddhist forum. that said, i would certainly encourage you to submit your work to a peer reviewed scientific organization for recognition.

no, unless you posit a non sentient deity at which point why would it matter?

We are the ‘sentient’ being of existence. Consciousness it where mass experiences existence. God is this existence of all; we existence within all.

Otherwise the idea of god on some thrown simply isolates the conscious from experiencing God in all things.

there are significantly more sentient beings, even on this planet, than humans. it seems a terrible anthropomorphism to imput any sentient characteristics unto spacetime let alone those of humans.

since it is pretty clear that i don't hold a belief in a creator deity i don't make the same assumptions regarding these phenomena as it seems that you have done. i don't see god in spacetime, indeed, the idea is nonsensical to me.

metta,

~v

 

[Bishadi]

i'm unclear how these terms are remotely related to energy transference in any manner, perhaps you can elaborate?

If I go outside, dig a hole and plant a tree; Is there energy involved? Did I contribute my energy to begin a chain of events that may cause a life to live beyond the term of my life?

Same with words, if I put into print….. ‘the martians are attacking’ on the front page of the New York Times; will energy be invoked to any who read the words?

Well dharma is simply learned rules based on a faith placed into writing. What was believed way back when is conveyed and that energy continues as if alive all by itself

the discussion of particular aspects of science would be more suited for the science forum rather than the Buddhist forum. that said, i would certainly encourage you to submit your work to a peer reviewed scientific organization for recognition.

Not interested in recognition. Only that the truth lives. Them to know, will do as they are to by choice, not because others or the group approves.

since it is pretty clear that i don't hold a belief in a creator deity i don't make the same assumptions regarding these phenomena as it seems that you have done. i don't see god in spacetime, indeed, the idea is nonsensical to me

me no spacetime creator either…..

nothing sentient other than a human being (conscious) unless life as scientifically defined, itself is considered sentient….

The only ‘other’ dimensions are them slots in time, but there is no other place…

And EPR had nothing to do with Quantum entanglement. Go read the 1935 publication and not Wiki…. The idea is about spin and location/momentum… can’t observe the properties and location at the same time….. which is not a part of splitting a photon by a BBC …..

The error in today’s physics is that most really do not comprehend what the math means, nor what the scientist are conveying. Many simply read the interpretations like any religious book, and believe what is represented without doing the actual homework.

That is how honesty and integrity ruin the truth!

 

[Bishadi]

that last line needs to be observered in clear form....

For someone to believe an idea without doing the homework, can represent what they know honestly but does not mean the integrity to understand the work was done honestly.

Such is how the sciences and religions clash.

Neither perform with integrity to be honest with what is understood.

 

[Vajradhara]

Namaste Bishadi,

thank you for the post.

If I go outside, dig a hole and plant a tree; Is there energy involved? Did I contribute my energy to begin a chain of events that may cause a life to live beyond the term of my life?

i recall asking you to elaborate on how it is that such things you listed in your previous post were related to energy transference. i'm not clear how asking me to explain your point is going to help with that.

Well dharma is simply learned rules based on a faith placed into writing. What was believed way back when is conveyed and that energy continues as if alive all by itself

as noted the definition of Dharma is rather intricately connected with the context in which it is being used. i'm unclear how you are referring to it here, can you elaborate a bit? please bear in mind the previous definition of the term.

Not interested in recognition. Only that the truth lives. Them to know, will do as they are to by choice, not because others or the group approves.

submit your work anonymously then.

me no spacetime creator either

i'm not sure what you are saying here. are you saying that you, personally, aren't the creator of spacetime? are you saying that you don't believe that spacetime has or had a creator?

nothing sentient other than a human being (conscious) unless life as scientifically defined, itself is considered sentient….

you do not think that animals, insects and birds are sentient?

And EPR had nothing to do with Quantum entanglement.

that is, precisely, what it demonstrated. the "E" <Einstein> even termed it "spooky action at a distance." it was Niels Bohr that and the Copenhagen interpetation of QM that dealt with particle spin. we've actually covered this topic in the Science section of the forum which may be of some interest to you.

to get back on point.. i'd still like for you to explain what you mean by energy transference between art and poetry and the like.

further, how any sort of non-sentient things, like gravity and such, can be considered God and why such a consideration is of relevance to beings that have a world view where no creator deity exists?

metta,

~v

 

[Bishadi]

i recall asking you to elaborate on how it is that such things you listed in your previous post were related to energy transference. i'm not clear how asking me to explain your point is going to help with that.

I asked you if I plant a tree, di I contribute energy for that life to continue; which logically ... that tree will live beyind my life; so literally a life continued based on my choice....

all you had to say was yes or no...

submit your work anonymously then.

have and do all over the world.... most every minute awake.

just not the math......

i'm not sure what you are saying here. are you saying that you, personally, aren't the creator of spacetime? are you saying that you don't believe that spacetime has or had a creator?

Spacetime is incorrect; mathematically....

you do not think that animals, insects and birds are sentient?

Please reread the line written.... consciousness is oooosually what folk mean by sentient, although living things do abuse entropy as well.

that is, precisely, what it demonstrated. the "E" <Einstein> even termed it "spooky action at a distance." it was Niels Bohr that and the Copenhagen interpetation of QM that dealt with particle spin.

Angular momentum ?

As it is this application to 'l' by planck that ruins all of physics. That angular mometum is a huge error, conflicting with any 'wave' analogy to energy. e=hv is ruined by the usage of 'torque' by angular momentum.

And please, there is no ether... either

Where I am going with this is that 2 like 'f' systems can combine increasing the potential greater than the 2 added separately. This reality cannot be accomplished with walking the planck.

to get back on point.. i'd still like for you to explain what you mean by energy transference between art and poetry and the like.

If I wrote a beautiful poem, 20k yrs back, could you feel from the words you read, what I felt.

further, how any sort of non-sentient things, like gravity and such, can be considered God and why such a consideration is of relevance to beings that have a world view where no creator deity exists?

We are creators as conscious beings; we can create words.

Gravity is entangled energy between mass.

Love simply reflects the entanglement of everything (gravity) as nothing can be isolated from existence, thereby all mass is entangled by energy (light).

Now to have 2 mass structures exchange, increasing the entanglement of energy, then a recognized phenomenon often described as Love can exist.

Kind of a spooky action at a distance.... isn't it..