This Is Not What I Am, excerpt from the Yamaka Sutta
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Truthseeker9
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Yes, that's right on that occasion.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
I agree to what Ven. Sariputta and Ven. Yamaka discussed, but have problem with "There is nothing further for this world". Even after the discussion, Ven. Sariputta and Ven. Yamaka lived, brought water and swept the floor, begged for alms and ate food. Ven. Sariputta and Ven. Yamaka were monks, but we are (mostly) house-holders. The world does not come to an end after enlightenment and and the worldly duties have still to be performed.
Added as a reply to Beautiful's second post in the topic: "That which is stressful has ceased and gone to its end."
Once one understands, it is no more stressful. "Anasakti" mode in Hinduism, non-attachment; "Asakti" is attachment.
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Beautiful
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"With release, there is the knowledge, 'Released.' He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world."
Its over in the heart, Aupmanyav. Thats what it means to totally trascend wilderness, humanness, worldliness, the dimension of boundless space, the dimension of boundless consciousness, the dimension of nothingness, the dimension of neither perception nor non perception, the singleness based on the signless concentration of awareness. Discerning that 'This signless concentration of awareness is fabricated and mentally fashioned' one is released.
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"For one -- thus knowing, thus seeing -- the mind [heart] is released from the effluent [obstacle, defilement, bond] of sensual craving, the effluent of becoming, the effluent of ignorance. With release, there is the knowledge, 'Released.' One discerns that, 'Rebirth is ended, the supreme life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'
"One discerns that, 'This mode of perception is empty of the effluent of sensual craving...becoming...ignorance. And there is just this non-emptiness, [stimuli] connected with the six sensory spheres, dependent on this very body with life as its condition.'
"Thus, one regards it as empty of whatever is not there. Whatever remains, one discerns as present, 'There is this.' And so this, one's entry into emptiness, accords with actuality, is undistorted in meaning, pure -- superior and unsurpassed.
"Ananda, whatever wandering ascetics and temple-bound priests (shramans and Brahmins) who in the past entered [upon] and remained in an emptiness that was pure, superior, and unsurpassed, they all entered and remained in this very same emptiness that is pure, superior, and unsurpassed.
"Whatever wandering ascetics and temple-bound priests who in the future will enter and remain in an emptiness that will be pure, superior, and unsurpassed, they all will enter and remain in this very same emptiness that is pure, superior, and unsurpassed.
"Whatever wandering ascetics and temple-bound priests who at present enter and remain in an emptiness that is pure, superior, and unsurpassed, they all enter and remain in this very same emptiness that is pure, superior, and unsurpassed.
"Therefore, Ananda, train yourselves: 'We will enter and remain in the emptiness that is pure, superior, and unsurpassed.'"
--Cula Suññata Sutta: The Lesser Discourse on Emptiness
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.121.than.html
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Whatever the Tathagata does while continuing to live in the body and in the world, the task that had been given to be done in this world has fundamentally and hollistically and ultimatley been fulfilled with great excellence. Thus there after the remainding stay here is with the understanding ¨The Holy life has been fulfilled. There is nothing further for this world¨
Its over in the heart, Aupmanyav. Thats what it means to totally trascend wilderness, humanness, worldliness, the dimension of boundless space, the dimension of boundless consciousness, the dimension of nothingness, the dimension of neither perception nor non perception, the singleness based on the signless concentration of awareness. Discerning that 'This signless concentration of awareness is fabricated and mentally fashioned' one is released.
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"For one -- thus knowing, thus seeing -- the mind [heart] is released from the effluent [obstacle, defilement, bond] of sensual craving, the effluent of becoming, the effluent of ignorance. With release, there is the knowledge, 'Released.' One discerns that, 'Rebirth is ended, the supreme life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'
"One discerns that, 'This mode of perception is empty of the effluent of sensual craving...becoming...ignorance. And there is just this non-emptiness, [stimuli] connected with the six sensory spheres, dependent on this very body with life as its condition.'
"Thus, one regards it as empty of whatever is not there. Whatever remains, one discerns as present, 'There is this.' And so this, one's entry into emptiness, accords with actuality, is undistorted in meaning, pure -- superior and unsurpassed.
"Ananda, whatever wandering ascetics and temple-bound priests (shramans and Brahmins) who in the past entered [upon] and remained in an emptiness that was pure, superior, and unsurpassed, they all entered and remained in this very same emptiness that is pure, superior, and unsurpassed.
"Whatever wandering ascetics and temple-bound priests who in the future will enter and remain in an emptiness that will be pure, superior, and unsurpassed, they all will enter and remain in this very same emptiness that is pure, superior, and unsurpassed.
"Whatever wandering ascetics and temple-bound priests who at present enter and remain in an emptiness that is pure, superior, and unsurpassed, they all enter and remain in this very same emptiness that is pure, superior, and unsurpassed.
"Therefore, Ananda, train yourselves: 'We will enter and remain in the emptiness that is pure, superior, and unsurpassed.'"
--Cula Suññata Sutta: The Lesser Discourse on Emptiness
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.121.than.html
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Whatever the Tathagata does while continuing to live in the body and in the world, the task that had been given to be done in this world has fundamentally and hollistically and ultimatley been fulfilled with great excellence. Thus there after the remainding stay here is with the understanding ¨The Holy life has been fulfilled. There is nothing further for this world¨
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
I am speaking from the Emptiness.
Beautiful
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Cool. Weird vegan cat ...
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
If you are talking about me, I m a non-vegetarian and love my drinks.
I hope that the 
hasn't suffered the ill effects of veganism (they cannot process plant proteins as well as humans, plus they have certain sensitivities to seasonings humans can tolerate with little-to-no problem.)
It would be like if a human was limited to eating rocks their entire life.
Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine
hasn't suffered the ill effects of veganism (they cannot process plant proteins as well as humans, plus they have certain sensitivities to seasonings humans can tolerate with little-to-no problem.)It would be like if a human was limited to eating rocks their entire life.
Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine