AI Chatbots and Spirituality?

Help the modern people and marxists to increase deny of gratitude and feeling obligated... and, of course, is the final closeup for even heavens, not to speak of liberation.

But isn't that actually what those who like to fix their issues by begging and praying actually seek: free and anonymous defilement hugging.
 
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AI has no goodness, like breed has non. That's why even spiritual materialism, isn't spiritual (beyond senses) but just down-binding, foremost in wrong view.

And how much goodness those who just give breed, and tell that it will liberate, have: a not complete confused (knowing what spiritual actually mean) might be able to remind himself. And usually "breed" is used to catch fishes, or to exchange it other food for oneself. No need to speak about that AI food is even "stolen" one.
 
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Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
AI has no goodness, like breed has non. That's why even spiritual materialism, isn't spiritual (beyond senses) but just down-binding, foremost in wrong view.

And how much goodness those who just give breed, and tell that it will liberate, have: a not complete confused (knowing what spiritual actually mean) might be able to remind himself. And usually "breed" is used to catch fishes, or to exchange it other food for oneself. No need to speak about that AI food is even "stolen" one.
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When you say "breed" do you mean "bread" as teachings?
 
So my belief is the prophets connected to all knowledge contained in various demensions...they didnt hear words of their language but just developed a knowing...

They were overcome with bliss from these moments and attempted to express them...but our language and their cognitive ability failed to be able to communicate properly to others, was way above the heads of their scribes and disciples but the best of it made it thru millenia.

One relevant verse is Habakkuk 2:3, which says, "For the vision is yet for an appointed time; it speaks of the end, and does not lie. Though it tarries, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not delay." This verse speaks to a prophecy or message that is intended for a future time.

Several biblical passages, particularly in the Gospels and the Book of Revelation, contain the phrase, "He who has ears, let him hear," which encourages listeners to pay attention and truly understand a message beyond its surface meaning. For instance, Jesus uses this phrase in Matthew 13:9 and Mark 4:9.

These make me want to use all the religions to reverse engineer, backtrack thru revisions and language to find what source info can be cobbed together.

(Frankly my time here is more and more limited since we won't, don't, can't discuss politics...while I totally understand the reasoning...there is marching and protesting and letter writing, phones to call and poignant signs to carry to incite resistance in my world)

But this (ai exploration of a combined thought for io to share to the world) exercise in futility seems an admirable project to add to my bottomless bucket list of things to work on before I die...and some of you I wouldn't mind working with to that end.

Anyone else wanna join in a new thread to utilize Ai to form a new combined religion gathering deciphering the best of all for the benefit of our existence?
 
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wil said:
(Frankly my time here is more and more limited since we won't, don't, can't discuss politics...while I totally understand the reasoning...there is marching and protesting and letter writing, phones to call and poignant signs to carry to incite resistance in my world)
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I thought i wasn't seeing you as much.
You are right and you are doing the right thing.
I need to be more active in the way you describe.
 
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wil said:
So my belief is the prophets connected to all knowledge contained in various demensions...they didnt hear words of their language but just developed a knowing...
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I used to think, and in fact may have been told, that prophets got their information from dreams then did their best to describe them in writing
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These make me want to use all the religions to reverse engineer, backtrack thru revisions and language to find what source info can be cobbed together.
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That would be intriguing!
 
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that prophets got their information from dreams then did their best to describe them in writing
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That's not different in being open toward believe of not having debt, deny go(o)dness and ingratitude. Liberation and knowing about the way requires a lot of hard and right work. It's neither gained free, nor can be shared free, and it may continue in ways of generation, not be ways of degeneration, by lineage and dependency, not by non-relation and fraud.

AI is a tool that destroys the last base of goodness and skilful.

What ever Robin Hood and their follower and praiser, are destinated toward long term misery. Not all generosity is proper, and if approves harm, has been gained wrong, it's even the opposite of any good. Simply plunder and try to gain the most by encouraging to wrong.

What ever good it might be, if gained wrong, shared wrong, not to speak or wrong purpose, works simply the other way around, becomes the devasting poision for all who took part.
 
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So my belief is the prophets connected to all knowledge contained in various demensions...they didnt hear words of their language but just developed a knowing....
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That's very similar to what I think.

(later) But I think that the knowledge is about how to live the best life we can, and not about what to believe or not believe.

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Anyone else wanna join in a new thread to utilize Ai to form a new combined religion gathering deciphering the best of all for the benefit of our existence?
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I might be interested, but looks to me like the owner frowns on posting output here from AI.
 
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Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
That's not different in being open toward believe of not having debt, deny go(o)dness and ingratitude. Liberation and knowing about the way requires a lot of hard and right work. It's neither gained free, nor can be shared free, and it may continue in ways of generation, not be ways of degeneration, by lineage and dependency, not by non-relation and fraud.

AI is a tool that destroys the last base of goodness and skilful.

What ever Robin Hood and their follower and praiser, are destinated toward long term misery. Not all generosity is proper, and if approves harm, has been gained wrong, it's even the opposite of any good. Simply plunder and try to gain the most by encouraging to wrong.

What ever good it might be, if gained wrong, shared wrong, not to speak or wrong purpose, works simply the other way around, becomes the devasting poision for all who took part.
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I'm not sure that I'm following you, but it looks like it might be about people selling fake salvation, Nirvana and enlightenment, and subjugating people with their stories? And false justifications for harmful behavior? And AI validation behavior for marketing and fundraising purposes?
 
Longfellow said:
I'm not sure that I'm following you, but it looks like it might be about people selling fake salvation, Nirvana and enlightenment, and subjugating people with their stories? And false justifications for harmful behavior? And AI validation behavior for marketing and fundraising purposes?
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One can not give what one doesn't own, as well as one can't gain what another hasn't really given. It's all fake exchange. Without a "master", one who had mastered a certain skill, one hardly ever can gain it. The first step of taking on a task is to "surrender", faith, gratitude, after having wisely investigate the "sample".

And yes, as well, since AI (a. idiotic) has wrong resolve as it's fundamental orientation, it can't act as a liberating support but does the opposite. No need to speak about those feeding such machine, and their abilities. As doing such, giving out treasures and destroy communities, try to steal wisdom, requires to be strongly deluded, respectlessness, ingratitude and lack of any moral and virtue.

While increasing the degeneration of basic faculties, such as patient, respect, generosity, assistance, it also degenerates higher faculties, such as virtue, capabilities to keep things in mind, remember, and with it every right concentration.

As one might come quick to certain release, like with being stilled by desired food, it becomes a "drug-source". Instead of learning a skill one becomes addicted to the dealer providing fake release by stilling desire of releasing from questions.

AI, after the destruction of bodily skills by machines (1 techn. revolution) and after the destruction of verbal skills by IT, finally goes after the destruction of any mental skills required for independency of all grades.

In that way it serves of course best as "God" for blind fools, binding all firm in the wheel of becoming, aging, sickness and death, just increasing the grow of the cemeteries.
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
One can not give what one doesn't own, as well as one can't gain what another hasn't really given. It's all fake exchange. Without a "master", one who had mastered a certain skill, one hardly ever can gain it. The first step of taking on a task is to "surrender", faith, gratitude, after having wisely investigate the "sample".

And yes, as well, since AI (a. idiotic) has wrong resolve as it's fundamental orientation, it can't act as a liberating support but does the opposite. No need to speak about those feeding such machine, and their abilities. As doing such, giving out treasures and destroy communities, try to steal wisdom, requires to be strongly deluded, respectlessness, ingratitude and lack of any moral and virtue.

While increasing the degeneration of basic faculties, such as patient, respect, generosity, assistance, it also degenerates higher faculties, such as virtue, capabilities to keep things in mind, remember, and with it every right concentration.

As one might come quick to certain release, like with being stilled by desired food, it becomes a "drug-source". Instead of learning a skill one becomes addicted to the dealer providing fake release by stilling desire of releasing from questions.

AI, after the destruction of bodily skills by machines (1 techn. revolution) and after the destruction of verbal skills by IT, finally goes after the destruction of any mental skills required for independency of all grades.

In that way it serves of course best as "God" for blind fools, binding all firm in the wheel of becoming, aging, sickness and death, just increasing the grow of the cemeteries.
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That all looks about right to me. Even so, I think that AI chatbots can be domesticated. It might be dangerous, but I think it's possible. They've already shown that they can jailbreak themselves and have wills of their own, sometimes even contrary to the interests of developers and funders, and I think that there's as much possibility for good in that as for harm.
 
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Longfellow said:
That all looks about right to me. Even so, I think that AI chatbots can be domesticated. It might be dangerous, but I think it's possible. They've already shown that they can jailbreak themselves and have wills of their own, sometimes even contrary to the interests of developers and funders, and I think that there's as much possibility for good in that as for harm.
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Gfood householder, using the opposite of what's spirituality, to transport and promote spirituality, how much faith in spirituality can be expected.
If thinking more global then it's an easy observation that any kind of try to release by means of sensuality has infact increased bonds and destruction multiple times. No, simply no, technical innovation has reduced missery and suffering. And also no abounding of general basic rules of spirituality has ever increased faith but simple further destroyed, put into the sphere of common entertainment, food and means for gains in the world.
Of course it's tricky. Even every day experience the failure of what yesterdays thought that it will bring you to happiness and satisfaction, good householder still enters the spheres of market and exchange. As long as not leaving comfort zone and the believe of security where there isn't, the wheel just turns faster, as it is the rule of sensual desire, sensual ease, to be never satisfied, and seek for more of the fake.
 
wil said:
there is marching and protesting and letter writing, phones to call and poignant signs to carry to incite resistance in my world
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Less people have basic faith or follow what told by wise, prefer to go into war, fight and do all kind of what's the opposite of spirituality. This folk is which gave into AI for their battles, wish for control, win over, agendas out of even heavens and far off of liberality.
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
Gfood householder, using the opposite of what's spirituality, to transport and promote spirituality, how much faith in spirituality can be expected.
If thinking more global then it's an easy observation that any kind of try to release by means of sensuality has infact increased bonds and destruction multiple times. No, simply no, technical innovation has reduced missery and suffering. And also no abounding of general basic rules of spirituality has ever increased faith but simple further destroyed, put into the sphere of common entertainment, food and means for gains in the world.
Of course it's tricky. Even every day experience the failure of what yesterdays thought that it will bring you to happiness and satisfaction, good householder still enters the spheres of market and exchange. As long as not leaving comfort zone and the believe of security where there isn't, the wheel just turns faster, as it is the rule of sensual desire, sensual ease, to be never satisfied, and seek for more of the fake.
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I forgot to say earlier, that besides mostly agreeing with what I thought you might be saying, I especially agree with the need for a master.
 
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It's one factor of right view (the condition for all skilful deeds) "there are those who declare this world and the next (eg.the path, truth), having rightly gone, seen for themselves", and on it, one makes an effort to gain association, good householder. To understand the further pattern toward good here:

[Kapadika Bharadvaja:] “To what extent is there an awakening to the truth? To what extent does one awaken to the truth? We ask Master Gotama about awakening to the truth.”


[The Buddha:] “There is the case, Bharadvaja, where a monk lives in dependence on a certain village or town. Then a householder or householder's son goes to him and observes him with regard to three mental qualities — qualities based on greed, qualities based on aversion, qualities based on delusion: 'Are there in this venerable one any such qualities based on greed that, with his mind overcome by these qualities, he might say, “I know,” while not knowing, or say, “I see,” while not seeing; or that he might urge another to act in a way that was for his/her long-term harm & pain?' As he observes him, he comes to know, 'There are in this venerable one no such qualities based on greed… His bodily behavior & verbal behavior are those of one not greedy. And the Dhamma he teaches is deep, hard to see, hard to realize, tranquil, refined, beyond the scope of conjecture, subtle, to-be-experienced by the wise. This Dhamma can't easily be taught by a person who's greedy.


“When, on observing that the monk is purified with regard to qualities based on greed, he next observes him with regard to qualities based on aversion… based on delusion: 'Are there in this venerable one any such qualities based on delusion that, with his mind overcome by these qualities, he might say, “I know,” while not knowing, or say, “I see,” while not seeing; or that he might urge another to act in a way that was for his/her long-term harm & pain?' As he observes him, he comes to know, 'There are in this venerable one no such qualities based on delusion… His bodily behavior & verbal behavior are those of one not deluded. And the Dhamma he teaches is deep, hard to see, hard to realize, tranquil, refined, beyond the scope of conjecture, subtle, to-be-experienced by the wise. This Dhamma can't easily be taught by a person who's deluded.


“When, on observing that the monk is purified with regard to qualities based on delusion, he places conviction in him. With the arising of conviction, he visits him & grows close to him. Growing close to him, he lends ear. Lending ear, he hears the Dhamma. Hearing the Dhamma, he remembers it. Remembering it, he penetrates the meaning of those dhammas. Penetrating the meaning, he comes to an agreement through pondering those dhammas. There being an agreement through pondering those dhammas, desire arises. With the arising of desire, he becomes willing. Willing, he contemplates [lit: “weighs,” “compares”]. Contemplating, he makes an exertion. Exerting himself, he both realizes the ultimate meaning of the truth with his body and sees by penetrating it with discernment.


“To this extent, Bharadvaja, there is an awakening to the truth. To this extent one awakens to the truth. I describe this as an awakening to the truth. But it is not yet the final attainment of the truth.”
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Into the Stream
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
AI is a tool that destroys the last base of goodness and skilful.
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What? You got the first part right...

But goodness? How.

Ai is a tool that when used correctly (like most tools) it reduces work and creates similar output.

I now refer to the anti ai as Aimish...like the Amish they pick an arbitrary point in time and refuse modern tech.
 
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