There is no justice if atheism is true

Agreed. Moreover, didn't Eastern sages discover some truths first that quantum science and neuroscience are claiming now and classical physics is reeling from?
Consciousness shapes the world - observer effect?
All things are interdependent - quantum entanglement?
Self is illusion - default mode network?
Meditation changes the mind and body - fMRI studies and neuroplasticity?

Admittedly, they didn't research but did simply observe the world, physical and mental, we all live within.

In fairness, I will say that I believe truth is subjective. I see, you see, we all see a different sea. and so on. Take it all with a laff cos that's the best I can do in this reality...
If it is subjective, then it is not truth.
Yes, the Eastern sages were very wise in spite of the absence of scientific experimentation in their time.
But we corrupt what they said by adding God, soul, reincarnation, etc.
That was done by society for its needs.
 
Oh sure sure. Without actual experience of Paramarthika, Vyavaharika seems to be the only option. The difference is known only to those knowing Paramarthika, my child. Bless you.
Don't be an ego-besotted dunce. My son is nine years older and my daughter is 11 years older than you. If your age on your profile is correct, I had finished my 'dharma' of procreation long before you were born. And do you think blessings are any more than a placebo?
Evidence is here but many followers of science cannot accept. Physics itself is schisming between the classical and the quantum teachings. The brain is divisive at any threat by default. For me at least, brain is a subset of mind. Prolly has to be from a survival standpoint.
Yeah, I have heard that. 'Since the universe is there, therefore, God'. It does not work with me.
 
Don't be an ego-besotted dunce. My son is nine years older and my daughter is 11 years older than you. If your age on your profile is correct, I had finished my 'dharma' of procreation long before you were born. And do you think blessings are any more than a placebo?
Aww cmon Aup. Not even amenable to take a joke? Have you really soured that much? I can however agree with you on the point that societal changes without personal guidance is what corrupted the teachings of messengers of unconditional love like Jesus and Mohammed. Sadly, there is no escape from that in the mind of Man. Individuals can guide humanity...for a while...their power is sought by the group which can only use herd mentality practices to enforce power. That's prolly what happened to Christianity and Sufism. Well, the world keeps turning regardless....
 
That would probably fit into what he refers to as evidence.
We can all chat then and compare notes.
What one can consider is that the evidence available after death, is already available before death, death becomes but a confirmation of the Spirit which is already available.

To wait, to compare notes is not our purpose, it is putting all the hard choices aside, basically playing all the cards at once.

One could consider this by Baha'u'llah

".. Behold, how the divers peoples and kindreds of the earth have been waiting for the coming of the Promised One. No sooner had He, Who is the Sun of Truth, been made manifest, than, lo, all turned away from Him, except them whom God was pleased to guide. We dare not, in this Day, lift the veil that concealeth the exalted station which every true believer can attain, for the joy which such a revelation must provoke might well cause a few to faint away and die.. '

The veils are there for a reason.

"Bahá’u’lláh says that were we to have the proper vision to see the blessings of the other world we would not bear to endure one more hour of existence upon the earth. The reason why we are deprived of that vision is because otherwise no one would care to remain and the whole fabric of society will be destroyed.

"Shoghi Effendi wishes you therefore to think of her blessings and rejoice in her happiness. Should we have true faith in the words of the prophets we would not fear death nor feel despondent over the passing of our loved ones."

(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, October 22, 1932)

Regards Tony
 
I do not like being patronized. I am an independent person.
"My child. Bless you." I am neither his child not need his blessings. That brought my (instant, sharp) response.

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I thought the phrase sounded condescending too, if stated directly at someone, but when I read it I thought he was just quoting something. So I didn't address his remark, but that was probably an oversight on my part.
 
I'm going to challenge the original premise of this thread
- IF some branches of Buddhism are non-theistic, but still believe in karma, consequences, and cause and effect - as a natural law, an independent system, not administered by a single elevated judge of any kind - is there not then some kind of afterlife justice even "atheism is true" ??

There's plenty of room to clarify nuances of Buddhism or outright overhauling my (mis)understanding of Buddhism, karma, and reincarnation - for anyone knowledgeable about them.
 
I'm going to challenge the original premise of this thread
- IF some branches of Buddhism are non-theistic, but still believe in karma, consequences, and cause and effect - as a natural law, an independent system, not administered by a single elevated judge of any kind - is there not then some kind of afterlife justice even "atheism is true" ??

There's plenty of room to clarify nuances of Buddhism or outright overhauling my (mis)understanding of Buddhism, karma, and reincarnation - for anyone knowledgeable about them.
Yeah, most atheist are not anti-social, surely not those who practice Buddhism or occasionally a Hindu like me.

IMHO, Buddha thought was presented in various flavors by later Buddhist scholars, so there are various schools, Sino-Japanese and Tibetan.
Buddhist philosophy survived in India by becoming a part of Hindu philosophy.
 
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