There is no justice if atheism is true

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Seems Anti interfaith to me, belief in G!d as a judge jury and executioner is a choice, not all theists believe that, nor do the Buddhists, Taoist, and a plethora of other varieties of agnostic and atheist we welcome to this site.

I see it it is just stating a logical conclusion.

If there is no ultimate standard for justice, known by many as God, where anarchy gives way to submission unto Laws.

If we do not have that set standard, then anarchy is also a valid choice, as what power do we submit to if we do not agree with a law?

This is not saying Athiests are going to choose anarchy.

Regards Tony
 
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I see it it is just stating a logical conclusion.

If there is no ultimate standard for justice, known by many as God, where anarchy gives way to submission unto Laws.

If we do not have that set standard, then anarchy is also a valid choice, as what power do we submit to if we do not agree with a law?

This is not saying Athiests are going to choose anarchy.

Regards Tony
But anarchy is anathema to survival of any tribe? Any tribe assumes a strong leader in wartime, who continues into peacetime -- and all leaders enact laws for their domain. Murder, theft and anarchy are not tribal values anytime in history -- for obvious reasons they are not permitted within the tribe or conquered tribes. Genghis Khan enacted laws for the nations he conquered.

It was said that a woman could walk 1000 miles naked with a bag of gold around her neck within the lands of his rule, without fear

The Yassa law of Ghengs Khan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yas...es were no,control that was strictly enforced.
 

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Trade and revenue have to continue for a society to survive and prosper.
 

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I see it it is just stating a logical conclusion.
If there is no ultimate standard for justice, known by many as God, where anarchy gives way to submission unto Laws.
If we do not have that set standard, then anarchy is also a valid choice, as what power do we submit to if we do not agree with a law?
This is not saying Athiests are going to choose anarchy.
As an atheists who visits theist forums, I am not an anarchist, I debate in a civilized way. My views are anti-religious, but I do not resent religion. Many people, in my own religion and others, find solace there. I follow the laws of the forums I visit, of my religion and of my country. What I do not stomach is 'book thumping' and proselytization. That is where conflicts occur. An atheist will not believe in laws promulgated by an imaginary entity or someone claiming to speak for that imaginary entity without providing any evidence (Yeah, an imaginary entity or its representative cannot provide evidence ;)).
 
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As ab atheists who visits theist forums, I am not an anarchist, I debate in a civilized way. My views are anti-religious, but I do not resent religion. Many people, in my own religion and others, find solace there. I follow the laws of the forums I visit, of my religion and of my country. What I do not stomach is 'book thumping' and proselytization. That is where conflicts occur. An atheist will not believe in laws promulgated by an imaginary entity or someone claiming to speak for that imaginary entity without providing any evidence (Yeah, an imaginary entity or its representative cannot provide evidence ;)).

I do not see the OP is offering that Athiests cannot choose to be wonderful peoples.

I see it offeres the challenge to consider the source of our goodness is beyond our own self, that it emanates from a positive and intelligence source.

So the OP is not a personal attack, it is an theological exploration.

Regards Tony
 

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I find it difficult to believe. Figures according to 2011 Census are:
No religion (inc. Atheism, Agnosticism, Secularism and Unanswered) (0.25%) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India
A 100 million means something like 7%. In that case, I will loose all my uniqueness. ;)
Less than 1%? I highly doubt it today, India's population has increasingly left Hindusim and embraced Atheism. 7% is not that much of a jump but it still portrays the numbers appropriately IMO
 

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If we do not have that set standard, then anarchy is also a valid choice, as what power do we submit to if we do not agree with a law?
We do have set standards. Most people submit to the laws of their society and their country.
Less than 1%? I highly doubt it today, India's population has increasingly left Hindusim and embraced Atheism.
79% declare themselves as Hindus. Hinduism is stronger today than it was 10 years ago.
 

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There are laws of the nation and the laws of the society in which you live. Does atheism asks one to disobey those laws?
I submit to both. My being atheist does not exempt me from them.
But you must believe that these laws and rules have an origin. Why is it that humans have laws and moral law and objective reasoning but other species do not. My answer is they came and were ordained by God, But what do you say?
 

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But you must believe that these laws and rules have an origin. Why is it that humans have laws and moral law and objective reasoning but other species do not. My answer is they came and were ordained by God, But what do you say?
Other species also have their laws. All societies have laws. Humans are just one species of animals. Society cannot function without laws. You have an answer but you have no evidence for it other than the the story of the stone tablet that your God had gave to Moses and which he broke later.
 

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My G!d is principle. It is the TOE, the underlying principle that allows all to exist in this universe, the gravity thar keeps us on earth, the moon controlling our tides, us revolving around our sun, our sun in our spiral arm and our galaxy spinning thru space! It is a joy to behold!

So to me the books and rules are man's week attempts at rules and laws and punishments

Man's law says stop at stop signs, under penalty of a fine, G!ds law is two objects cannot occupy the same space, and an action causes an equal and opposite reaction, the penalties to breaking those rules are a tad more severe

Same thing with the permanent record they lied about in school, the good and naughty list of the pseudo God Santa, or the fictions St Michael at man made pearly gates deciding who walks roads paved of gold listening to harps for eternity...all man's mind making stuff up while the real permanent record is in our mind, knowing what we have done wrong, and having to deal with those repercussions for a lifetime

Of course that is just the ramblings of this agnostic
 
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