Who created God?

If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn’t have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn’t know when evil exists, or doesn’t have the desire to eliminate all Evil.

Conclusion: God Does Not Exist
If God were going to create the universe and life, could there be one single purpose so great that possibly even God could not create in a greater good way? Search for a greatest meaning of One God, the creator of all that is seen and unseen.

Could God could create anything greater than children in his own image and likeness? Could God love each and every one of his children as he loves himself? Can there be any greater reason for God to create the universe and life?
 
..our powers of observation and therefore our conclusions are finite and contingent, and therefore any determinations we can make are relative to our own position?
Yes.
We see both good, and evil. The evil comes from within ourselves.
The idea that G-d does not exist does not change that.
If anything, it makes it worse. 😑
i.e. there is no hope for mankind
 
Yes.
We see both good, and evil. The evil comes from within ourselves.
The idea that G-d does not exist does not change that.
If anything, it makes it worse. 😑
i.e. there is no hope for mankind
In what way your God helps mankind? Sure, he said 'don't bother people with different faith'. But Muslims have been doing it in all their history. What did God do about it? 9 Hindus have been killed in Bangladesh in the last month, some lynched, some burnt alive. So did the Christians too.
Could God could create anything greater than children in his own image and likeness? Could God love each and every one of his children as he loves himself? Can there be any greater reason for God to create the universe and life?
That does not explain the necessity of creating the universe and all that it contains.
 
In what way your God helps mankind? Sure, he said 'don't bother people with different faith'. But Muslims have been doing it in all their history. What did God do about it? 9 Hindus have been killed in Bangladesh in the last month, some lynched, some burnt alive. So did the Christians too.

That does not explain the necessity of creating the universe and all that it contains.
Every religion has their extremists. Thats not God.
 
D'you know, I have no recollection now as to where I was in the train of thought that gave rise to that ... :rolleyes:

That aside, the Epicurean Paradox "If God is omniscient etc., etc." is not irrefutable ...

If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn’t have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn’t know when evil exists, or doesn’t have the desire to eliminate all Evil...
Conclusion: God Does Not Exist

The conclusion rests on a 'False Dilemma' fallacy.
 
That does not explain the necessity of creating the universe and all that it contains.
Every religion has their extremists. Thats not God.
Kindly answer what I underlined. What was the necessity for God to create 'his children'.
And what about the children that he left for humans to consume? Are they not 'his children'?
 
That does not explain the necessity of creating the universe and all that it contains.

Kindly answer what I underlined. What was the necessity for God to create 'his children'.
And what about the children that he left for humans to consume? Are they not 'his children'?
Why does anyone create anything? Is there always a necessity? Does a painter paint a picture out of necessity? No he creates out of the desire to create! You are also equating the corruption or entropy of this world to the perfect design of the Creator. If that painting was soiled or ruined the painter might destroy it out of anger but thats not what God does. He lovingly restores that creation to Himself.
 
But why that whim or desire arise in God?
That is equivalent to asking why the universe exists..
Many things are hidden from us in this life. We can philosophise, but
cannot expect to answer all such questions.

Does God's mind work the same way as that of humans?
No, because G-d is Holy, free from desire and defect.

With all the hate for people who have other Gods?
Hate is a human imperfection. 😑
Devils are created beings like ourselves, and they promote hate.
 
If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.

However, Evil exists.
If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn’t have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn’t know when evil exists, or doesn’t have the desire to eliminate all Evil.

Conclusion: God Does Not Exist
The only problem with your conclusion is that it uses a non-existent component.

It is evil that does not exist. (Linked Talk)

Thus God's creation is perfect for its given intent.

That intent is for us to know and Love God, as God loves us.

Regards Tony
 
Just a whim? Just a desire? But why that whim or desire arise in God? Does God's mind work the same way as that of humans? With all the hate for people who have other Gods?
Im not willing to question Gods mind but I do know the gospel of Jesus Christ shows true agape love not hate.
 
That is equivalent to asking why the universe exists..
Many things are hidden from us in this life. We can philosophise, but cannot expect to answer all such questions.


No, because G-d is Holy, free from desire and defect.


Hate is a human imperfection. 😑
Devils are created beings like ourselves, and they promote hate.
A good dodge from giving answers.
No evidence for any God.
Searched Wikipedia, AI .. no evidence of existence of creatures such as devils or jinn.
God does not like:
"1. Associating partners with God, considered the gravest sin."
Why God cannot stomach this?
2. Making untrue claims.
Muhammad fails the tests. He never gave evidence of existence of God nor of his being chosen as the messenger.
 
Im not willing to question Gods mind but I do know the gospel of Jesus Christ shows true agape love not hate.
When I read something like this, I am always reminded of the curses on the unrepentant cities:
"Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which were done in you, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, shalt thou be exalted unto heaven? thou shalt be brought down unto Hades. He that heareth you heareth Me; and he that rejecteth you rejecteth Me; and he that rejecteth Me rejecteth Him that sent Me."
 
.. no evidence of existence of creatures such as devils or jinn.
..human beings can be devils.
i.e. they are created beings capable of evil

God does not like:
"1. Associating partners with God, considered the gravest sin."
Why God cannot stomach this?
It's all about authority .. not taking other than G-d as an equal authority.
G-d has no needs .. sin is that which is detrimental to us.

..evidence of existence of God..
Not that again.. :rolleyes:
 
The only problem with your conclusion is that it uses a non-existent component.

It is evil that does not exist. (Linked Talk)

Thus God's creation is perfect for its given intent.

That intent is for us to know and Love God, as God loves us.

Regards Tony
This is the classic privation theory of evil (Augustinian / Neoplatonic). It fails on several grounds.
First, absence alone cannot account for experienced harm. Blindness may be described as the “absence of sight,” but blindness is not merely nothing, it has concrete effects, structures experience, limits agency, and produces suffering. If evil were truly nonexistent, it could not generate real consequences. Yet suffering is not illusory.

Second, the argument smuggles value into ontology. It defines “existence” as “good” by fiat, then declares anything undesirable to be “nonexistent.” This is not a discovery but a semantic maneuver. Calling death “the absence of life” does not dissolve its reality as an event that destroys organisms, relationships, and futures. Describing something negatively does not negate its ontological status.

Third, the theory fails with active, intentional evil. Ignorance may plausibly be framed as a lack of knowledge, but cruelty, deception, and malice are not mere absences of virtue. They involve deliberate choices, planning, and execution. Torture is not simply “the absence of kindness”; it is a positive act requiring intention, effort, and will. A doctrine that reduces atrocities to “nonbeing” trivializes moral responsibility.

The claim that all intellectual realities are purely good is demonstrably false. Ideologies, delusions, rationalizations, and destructive belief systems are intellectual constructs, yet they produce immense harm. These are not absences of thought, but misdirected, distorted, or weaponized thought. They exist, propagate, and exert causal force in history. If evil does not exist, then justice becomes incoherent. One cannot meaningfully condemn genocide, slavery, or abuse if these are merely “lacks” rather than real moral wrongs.

The Baha'i conclusion “there is no evil in existence” is reached not by observing reality, but by protecting the premise that a perfectly good creator cannot create evil. Evil may depend on good, distort good, or parasitize good, but it is 'not' nothing. It is real, causal, and morally significant. Any philosophy that denies this does so at the cost of moral clarity and lived human truth.
 
The Baha'i conclusion “there is no evil in existence” is reached not by observing reality, but by protecting the premise that a perfectly good creator cannot create evil. Evil may depend on good, distort good, or parasitize good, but it is 'not' nothing. It is real, causal, and morally significant. Any philosophy that denies this does so at the cost of moral clarity and lived human truth.
Agreed upon .. G-d created evil, in as much as He created beings capable of evil.
 
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