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Yes, absolutely, deep seated emotional issues describe a very wide range of causes and expression as you mention. I'm always interested in hearing bout how different cultures deal with things. In my cross cultural psych courses they mentioned that somatic complaints rather than psychological...

Now you're starting to see my point. Thinking there is a linear cause for a behavior is usually a mistake. The fact is, that behavior of any kind is usually mulit-causal and involves biological, sociological as well as psychological elements. It is the drive for certainty that moves people to...

How did you know they were factual?

The phenomenological approach in humanistic psychology posits exactly that. Though I often speak of "truth" in a contextual sense, we could also posit that there is a certain relativistic error if one posits something like: "There is one quart of milk in the fridge. No, that may be true for you...

Well of course terminology is tricky, that it is why it is critical to understand how someone else may be using the terms. In this case, "truth as I understand it" refers to the body of psychological thought and research. It is still not a complete "truth" but a relative one that is important in...

You certainly do. I'm beginning to learn that sharing the truth as I understand it is a touchy thing really. First of all, for all I know there is something I'm missing, and I'm not being mindful of the real argument going on underneath. Also, I tend to reserve any real effort to help someone...

Hmmm sort of raises the question though, if God does mathematically exist, who's version of God would it be?

Agreed. I'm interested to know however, how you determine when this is happening and when someone is honestly talking about their own understanding of things in general. For example, people have very strange ideas about psychology, and I hear some very odd versions of what psychology entails...

Please understand, I'm not attempting to denigrate or marginalize, but I firmly believe that when we tear at the fabric of another person's beliefs, we are tearing at the fabric of our own.

I understand the experience of human beings, but a claim is still a human construct, so is the idea of a transcendent reality.

Interesting ground to walk on. Is there any evidence that anything we can say about God or religion is anything other than a human construct?

I listened to the song... wow, just...wow...

You're welcome. I really like it when people talk about their experience with life rather than just talking about things academically. We actually have a dearth of that sort of thing here, too much dogma too little humanity.

Actually, I think David was talking more about his experience with these holidays than commenting on what they are objectively.

Yes, and sometimes it can be a way of avoiding something.

Really? Tell me about that.

So you think I'm an atheist do you? How funny! :)

Pardon me, but I think you forgot true Thanksgiving, where one is eternally grateful to have a loved one(s). :)

I don't see people as having flaws in and of themselves, but sometimes our thinking can be flawed. Unfortunately many people were raised with the idea that we don't make mistakes, we ARE mistakes. Shame and blame aren't only two of the eight worldly concerns of Buddhism they are also the way...

Sorry if that seemed abrupt or confusing, but if there is something like this under discussion doesn't it seem prudent to define what it is? GK and Wil both postulate something for which they clearly have no data, and knowing your penchant for such things I thought I'd ask. For example, if we...