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If you look at my original quote, I am emphasizing agriculture itself, which is perhaps the key line in the sand that was crossed. Not according to this narrative which these researchers have suggesed.

WoW, how convenient for you... So those atheist leaders weren't actually atheists, eh? But all those wars are directly blamed on religion? Nothing to do with material notions of land and wealth? Hmmm... double standards are fun, aren't they? The Byzantines and the Sassnids were both hostile...

. First of all, why don't you admit your mistakes? You were wrong about the Ottoman-Saudi-British history. You were also wrong in accusing me of critiquing the Saudi government for accepting French advisers. Are you too proud to admit your mistakes and would rather ignore pretend they never...

In Genesis, Eden was a garden where the first humans lived after creation on a material Earth. I doubt it. Such verses can be interpreted in many ways (especially considering all the verses on the subject, in all the scriptures combined).

That's fine, but Cogito Ergo Sum is an empirical judgment, not apriori knowledge. my point was/is that everything we think we "know" is posteriori (which doesn't bode well for objectivist notions) and as long as we're talking about perspectives, from mine, even I'm not "real"... so there u go

Do you realize that there is a Quranic distinction between "polytheists" and "people of the book"? In fact, in the very next verse (9:29) this is made clear when Jews and Christians are mentioned as "people of the book" and not "polytheists." The verse which you quoted is specifically talking...

You've misunderstood. Modern physics has revealed that reality itself can not be measured objectively, because we are part of the equation. The experimenter is part of the experiment.

What? I never criticized the Saudis for consulting the French. I called the French GIGN the best in the business, actually. What I criticized was the Saudi restriction on allowing them to enter Mecca without converting to Islam, a requirement which is unsupported by the Quran. So are you going...

I noticed you didn't respond to my first question. What did I say about the 1979 event that was ignorant? Did I say anything that was counterfactual? Treaty of Darin, 1915. "The British entered into a treaty in December 1915 which made the lands of the House of Saud a British protectorate. In...

walaikum asalam Did I say anything that contradicts known facts? If not, then how can they be ignorant? As for "hate" and "jealousy." I don't care enough to be either. The same Saudi family which sided with the British side against their Muslim brothers (Ottomans)?

Perhaps it isn't as real, as people think. Case in point: ... that exists in what? "space" ? But is "space" absolute, or relative? are you (the observer) able to measure it objectively? again, where is this "objective reality" ?? Certainly not in the world of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics.

Are you an "idolater" BB? If you are, then stay the hell out !! : P If not, then blame the Saudi government for not allowing you in, even though the Quran doesn't say anything about keeping Jews, Christians or whoever. But our God has serious aversion to people who worship idols. (Although, if...

. hey juan's back!!! :) sweet If there is, then were is it located? In a platonic "world of ideas" perhaps? I doubt it. atheists have a spirit/soul too, yet they reject this premise. Which seems to hint that the "spirit/soul," far from being a dualistic concept, is nothing more than the mind.

According to the Quran, (not tryin 2 argue here) changes were made to the Torah and its not in its original state. Also, the sabbath isn't a holy day for us. Dude, u could have condensed this whole spiel into 1 paragraph. drop the lectures & adopt a more dialectical approach << free advice

Do you deny that Stalin, Mao and Hitler were "Meists" ? Put down the brandy old man and try to pay attention.

Next time you call someone on childishness Mr. fossil, avoid the emoticons, coloring and resizing. Essentially speaking, so were Hitler, Stalin and Mao. "Join the club" ; )

You're misunderstanding the argument and the point of this thread. I'm not saying living like a hunter-gatherer is a better lifestyle. I'm in fact saying that progress was made precisely because settlement offered advantages a "state of nature" could not. What you need to accept is that was a...

. Wait... i wanna take back that comment above... i'm a total douche sometimes It was definitely an epic debate and you're a worthy opponent Bob. Hopefully, we both learned stuff from it. I know I did. in any case, water under the bridge.

rrrrite... the "internet demons" made you do it... (Twinkie Defense Alert!!) ...whatever makes u sleep @ night dude

"In 1998 documents were released by Cornell University from the Nuremberg Trials, that revealed Nazi plans to eliminate Christianity entirely." Adolf Hitler's religious views - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You know who were confirmed atheists? Stalin and Mao. Technically, they were even...