Exposure of the big LIE of Hitler being atheist.

[Amergin]

There are numerous citations of Hitler's Christian beliefs merged with some Nordic paganism. After the start of the Cold War, American propagandists deliberately lied about the issue of religion and Nazism. Many lied to call Hitler an Atheist.

The truth is that Hitler's Nazis had a list of banned books that either critically examined religion, or promoted Atheism. The goals were to make American Atheists suspects of anti-patriotism and many were reviewed by McCarthy's House Un-American Activities Committee.

The Nazi government banned all of the works of Charles Darwin even though they applied a distorted view of evolution to justify racism. The openly Christian Nazi Government systematically discriminated against atheists and Free Thinkers.

Germany banned the books of Robert G. Ingersoll, famous American Atheist philosopher. They banned and burned Remarque's and Voltaire's books. Nazis also banned Cecil Rhodes, Bertrand Russell, Albert Pike, Carroll Quigley, Charles Bradlaugh, Thomas Henry Huxley defender of Darwin.

Second refutation to the Lie of Hitler being Atheist is:

Hitler entered the Chancellor of the Weimar Republic whose constitution guaranteed freedom of and from religion. Hitler cancelled the secular constitution and established Christianity as the official religion of the Reich. He allowed two sects, Lutheran and Roman Catholic, to whom workers were required to pay tithes. Hitler hated Atheists. He listed them as "anti-social," "pro-Communist," "socialist," and "anarchists." Their common reason for their books to be burned and banned was their open Atheism.

Hitler referred to the Soviet Union as the GODLESS BOLSHEVIKS." That certainly does not sound like an Atheists calling someone else an Atheist.

McCarthy and the John Bircher society was extremely right wing and mirrored many fascist ideas. They were pre-war pro-Nazis. With the Cold War, they adopted the tactic of equating Atheism with Communism, socialism, civil rights, and racial integration of the south.

The reason for this rant was some moron claiming that Hitler was an Atheist. There was not support at all for that lie, but much of Hitler's own words claiming to be Christian, Roman Catholic, and expressing in Mein Kampf his admiration for the way the Church dealt with opposition. When can we put the Hitler being an Atheist LIE to rest?

End of my rant. Merry Christmas Mates (Seas-ghrian aig Geamhradh Shona.) If you are a Gaelic Christian, then I wish you an Nollaig Shona.

Amergin

 

[Saltmeister]

It doesn't matter what Hitler believed or what his "official religion" was. He wanted to wipe out the Jewish people. That was his religion more than anything else. He seemed to shout louder for "this" religion than any other.

 

[c0de]

There are numerous citations of Hitler's Christian beliefs merged with some Nordic paganism....

"In 1998 documents were released by Cornell University from the Nuremberg Trials, that revealed Nazi plans to eliminate Christianity entirely."

Adolf Hitler's religious views - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The reason for this rant was some moron claiming that Hitler was an Atheist.

You know who were confirmed atheists? Stalin and Mao.
Technically, they were even worse than the pagan lunatic that was Hitler.

Hitler's Holocaust: 14,000,000
Stalin's "Great Terror": 20,000,000
Mao's "Great Leap Forward": 43,000,000 dead
... another failed attack by Amergin on religion: Priceless!

 

[bob x]

Hitler said many different things to different audiences, because he had very little honesty in him. In order to know what he "really" believed, you would have to get instead his head, which would be a very scary place to be.

 

[Virtual_Cliff]

I had always thought that Hitler was an atheist. Having read through the Wikipedia article referenced above, I stand corrected. He hated atheists, Christians, the Catholic and Protestant Churches, organised religion in general, and of course Jews.

I get the picture of someone consumed with a generalised distrust of every part of the established order and everyone who participated in it.

Having said all that, I think we would be wise at this stage to attempt a more nuanced critique of Hitler rather than dismiss everything he said and did out of hand. Only by doing so will we be able to learn from his mistakes.

 

[Saltmeister]

Hitler was a Nazi, a member of the Nationalist Socialist Party. What does it mean to be nationalist? It means that the most likely "religion" Hitler followed was "Germany." Thumbs up to everything that benefited and glorified Germany. Anything that gave the power to rule and dominate.

The Jewish people were a threat to that agenda, because like in the story of Esther, they only bowed down to their God. The Holocaust may never have happened if the Jews and their rabbis had agreed to help Hitler dominate the world.

Bowing to Hitler or serving Germany was, sort of, a kind of idolatry. Nationalism is a kind of idolatry. Those Christians who forgot this and supported Hitler were a bunch of idol worshippers. They should have given the Jews credit for not supporting what was evil and wrong. The fact that Hitler was willing to wipe out an entire race showed how depraved he was.

Who cares if Hitler supported "Christianity"? Christians who support state power and any oppression and persecution that arises from it are guilty of idolatry. Christians who supported Hitler were basically guilty of worshipping a "golden calf" similar to that which King Jeroboam created for Israel. Christians who persecute homosexuals and kill doctors who perform abortions are also guilty of worshipping golden calves because of their desire to use state power to oppress people.

 

[Diagoras]

Hitler said many different things to different audiences, because he had very little honesty in him. In order to know what he "really" believed, you would have to get instead his head, which would be a very scary place to be.

I had always thought that Hitler was an atheist. Having read through the Wikipedia article referenced above, I stand corrected. He hated atheists, Christians, the Catholic and Protestant Churches, organised religion in general, and of course Jews.

I get the picture of someone consumed with a generalised distrust of every part of the established order and everyone who participated in it.

Having said all that, I think we would be wise at this stage to attempt a more nuanced critique of Hitler rather than dismiss everything he said and did out of hand. Only by doing so will we be able to learn from his mistakes.

Hitler was a Nazi, a member of the Nationalist Socialist Party. What does it mean to be nationalist? It means that the most likely "religion" Hitler followed was "Germany." Thumbs up to everything that benefited and glorified Germany. Anything that gave the power to rule and dominate.

The Jewish people were a threat to that agenda, because like in the story of Esther, they only bowed down to their God. The Holocaust may never have happened if the Jews and their rabbis had agreed to help Hitler dominate the world.

Bowing to Hitler or serving Germany was, sort of, a kind of idolatry. Nationalism is a kind of idolatry. Those Christians who forgot this and supported Hitler were a bunch of idol worshippers. They should have given the Jews credit for not supporting what was evil and wrong. The fact that Hitler was willing to wipe out an entire race showed how depraved he was.

Who cares if Hitler supported "Christianity"? Christians who support state power and any oppression and persecution that arises from it are guilty of idolatry. Christians who supported Hitler were basically guilty of worshipping a "golden calf" similar to that which King Jeroboam created for Israel. Christians who persecute homosexuals and kill doctors who perform abortions are also guilty of worshipping golden calves because of their desire to use state power to oppress people.

Salient points all, unlike c0des obfuscations entirely and predictably leading up to his demonstration of his childishness.
Hitler was a one off nut job. Initially a convenient puppet of specific American/Deutsch corporate skulduggery, like Sadam he was able to break the strings and run riot. A paranoid megalomaniac whose petty hatreds were genocidal...he is easy to understand and easy to dismiss. The far more interesting question about that whole period is what led so many citizens to wear the swastika with pride. The austerity that marked the Weimer Republic is not unlike that which has most recently been manufactured for us following the current "economic crisis". Hardship is a useful tool.

Hitler was a Nazi.
Stalin was a Stalinist.
Mao was a Maoist.
Putin is a Putinist.
And I'm a Meist.

 

[c0de]

unlike c0des obfuscations entirely and predictably leading up to his demonstration of his childishness.

Next time you call someone on childishness Mr. fossil, avoid the emoticons, coloring and resizing.

And I'm a Meist.

Essentially speaking, so were Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

"Join the club" ; )

 

[Diagoras]

Next time you call someone on childishness Mr. fossil, avoid the emoticons, coloring and resizing.

Essentially speaking, so were Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

"Join the club" ; )

That the best you can do? You been drinking again?

 

[c0de]

That the best you can do?

Do you deny that Stalin, Mao and Hitler were "Meists" ?

You been drinking again?

Put down the brandy old man and try to pay attention.

 

[Amergin]

You know who were confirmed atheists? Stalin and Mao.
Technically, they were even worse than the pagan lunatic that was Hitler.

Hitler's Holocaust: 14,000,000
Stalin's "Great Terror": 20,000,000
Mao's "Great Leap Forward": 43,000,000 dead
... another failed attack by Amergin on religion: Priceless!

Those numbers pale in comparison to the millions killed in religious wars in Europe, Anatolia, and the Middle East.

Theodosius II is credited with wiping out the Pagan majority of the Roman Empire or forcing their conversion. Numbers were in at least hundreds of thousands if not millions.

Muhammad and successors started a wave of unprovoked aggressive wars in 634 CE killing millions of Middle East Christians and Persian Zoroastrians. The armies of the Caliphate expanded with bloody wars in which entire cities faced extermination for failing to surrender. They expanded to Afghanistan and the Indus Valley in the East to Northern Spain in the West.

Selkuk Turks, Ottoman Turks, Timur-e-Lenk Turkish Mongols built extensive empires or Sultanates using incredible brutality, extermination of populations of cities in unprovoked wars of conquest. The Muslim Turks killed about 2 million Balkan Christians in destroying the Byzantine Empire.

Charlemagne killed thousands of Saxons who refused to convert to Christianity.

Christian Teutonic Knights conquered the Pagan Prussians exterminating the entire population. Then German Christians were brought in to replace the real Prussian Balts.

We have the 30 Years War in Europe in which a Protestant-Catholic wars killed over a million. The people of Magdeburg were exterminated.

Oliver Cromwell, a Calvinistic killer Dictator, took over England after the King was executed. Cromwell murdered hundreds of thousands of English Anglicans. He invaded Scotland and killed 750,000 Scottish Highlanders who were Catholic and lowlanders who were Anglicans. He then Invaded Catholic Ireland where the Irish Holocast resulted in killing 2 million Irish natives out of a population of 5 million. The Irish city of Drogheda, under seige, surrendered when promised leniency. Instead Cromwell had men, women, and babies murdered (unknown thousands of people died.

Christian Europeans profited greatly in money for the Trans-Atlantic African Slave trade which is recognised as a Holocaust in which several million Africans perished.

Christian Europeans invading the Americas, called the American natives "heathens" and waged wars of extermination against them. Others were forcibly converted. Native children were taken from their mothers and placed in Missionary Schools which were little more than Concentration Camps. Kids were physically beaten for speaking any Native language or discussing Native religion or deities.

If you want to play the numbers game to justify your hatred of Atheists, try to remember Atheists rarely had political power. The worst religions in world history are Christianity and Islam.

Communism based on Das Kapital, officially dismissed Theism as an opiate to suppress people. That is true. However, Stalin was not a real Atheist. He made Marx and Lenin the new gods of the Soviet Union.

Mao was Chinese, most of whom have no theistic religion anyway. Koumintang War Lords also were Atheists. So the issue is a no-brainer. Mao however did make himself into a God. In Kremlin square parades marched before 30 metre tall portraits of Stalin and Lenin in a display that is clearly religious in nature. Mao did the same in Beijing. His gigantic picture was on display for the Chinese people to worship.

Even if you play the numbers game. Hitler killed more than 14 million. His armies killed 20 million Russians alone. Hitler's Christian-Norse Nazism killed so many that the number is likely deficient. Heinrich Himmler urged Hitler to recruit Bosnian and Albanian Muslims to fight in the Nazi cause. Himmler praised the Muslims as great soldiers because of their violence and lack of mercy in war as well as willingness to die while killing an enemy because of rewards in Heaven for religious murderers.

I think the millions of people killed by Muslims vastly underestimates the true numbers, especially considering the history of the Ottoman Sultanate and the Timurid Khanate. Hitler and Himmler admired the Balkan Muslims for their Nazi-like brutality, violent methods, and willingness to fight to the death.

Amergin
You religious extremists hate us (Atheists) because we represent freedom of thinking and refusal to be slaves of superstition and ignorance (Islamo-Christianity.)

 

[c0de]

Those numbers pale in comparison to the millions killed in religious wars in Europe, Anatolia, and the Middle East.

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However, Stalin was not a real Atheist. He made Marx and Lenin the new gods of the Soviet Union.

WoW, how convenient for you... So those atheist leaders weren't actually atheists, eh?

But all those wars are directly blamed on religion? Nothing to do with material notions of land and wealth?

Hmmm... double standards are fun, aren't they?

Muhammad and successors started a wave of unprovoked aggressive wars

The Byzantines and the Sassnids were both hostile to the newly formed Muslim state. Sassnids even supported rebellions in Arabia against the caliph. Besides, this happened after the Prophet was already dead, so its the era of politics, not Islam.

in 634 CE killing millions of Middle East Christians and Persian Zoroastrians.

Are you saying the first Caliphate armies committed war crimes?

Do you realize their humane conduct was unparalleled and is universally recognized?

The armies of the Caliphate expanded with bloody wars in which entire cities faced extermination for failing to surrender.

That was Gengis Khan, actually.

Selkuk Turks, Ottoman Turks, Timur-e-Lenk Turkish Mongols built extensive empires or Sultanates using incredible brutality, extermination of populations of cities in unprovoked wars of conquest. The Muslim Turks killed about 2 million Balkan Christians in destroying the Byzantine Empire.

Those were empires. Muslim or not, they're all the same.

If you want to play the numbers game to justify your hatred of Atheists,

I already told you, I don't hate atheists. I find them cute and adorable.

 

[Muslimwoman]

Those numbers pale in comparison to the millions killed in religious wars in Europe, Anatolia, and the Middle East.

Sorry I just want to check if I understand you correctly ... you want to add up everyone throughout history who was killed under the banner of a religion and compare it to everyone who was killed in non-religious wars?

Then you want to take the worlds biggest ever genocide (Mao's 40+ million) and negate that number because he paraded troops in front of pictures of Stalin and therefore must have been a religious nut ... that's so ridiculous it isn't even funny.

Muhammad and successors started a wave of unprovoked aggressive wars in 634 CE killing millions

So you believe Mohammed (pbuh) rose from his grave to lead wars? (hint ... he died in 632 CE).

It wasn't until 620 CE that he finally took Mecca without a single drop of blood spilt .. so this image of him running around the Middle East slaughtering millions is simply a figment of your imagination I'm afraid.

Hitler said many different things to different audiences, because he had very little honesty in him. In order to know what he "really" believed, you would have to get instead his head, which would be a very scary place to be.

Very well said Bobx

Hitler was a one off nut job.

So what was Mao or Stalin? What about the Idi Amin's or Pol Pot's of the world? Didn't they all commit genocide to bring their "vision" of the world?

I think the world would be a more dangerous place if we start believing Hitler was a one off.

 

[Waleed]

Hi Muslimwoman

It wasn't until 620 CE that he finally took Mecca without a single drop of blood spilt .. so this image of him running around the Middle East slaughtering millions is simply a figment of your imagination I'm afraid.

What do you think of the famous Banu Qurayza incident in which Muhammad ordered the beheading of 900 men of the Banu Qurayza tribe?

Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, 'Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!' This went on until the apostle made an end of them. Huyayy was brought out wearing a flowered robe in which he had made holes about the size of the finger-tips in every part so that it should not be taken from him as spoil, with his hands bound to his neck by a rope. When he saw the apostle he said, 'By God, I do not blame myself for opposing you, but he who forsakes God will be forsaken.' Then he went to the men and said, 'God's command is right. A book and a decree, and massacre have been written against the Sons of Israel.' Then he sat down and his head was struck off.

It may not be true that Muhammad killed millions - for that we dont have any evidence, but we can say he set examples and he inspired the killing of the millions that Amergin is refering to.

 

[Amergin]

It is true that Muhammad himself did not lead the Arab hordes to conquer the empire from India to Spain. He killed many fellow Arabs who did not accept his hallucinations of receiving prophesy from an archangel. Those hallucinations were evil ideas. Perhaps Muhammad did not experience visions or hear voices. He may have made it all up. The Quran was written from his story. It contains the evil verses described by Salman Rushdie and which I have read.

It may be legitimate to say that persons (Muhammad, Omar, the Umayyads, or the Abassids, Alp Arslan, Osman, Orkan, and Timur) were not fully responsible. They were insanely extreme Muslims. They took the Qur'an literally and they are the ones who killed many millions of people who resisted their barbarian armies or refused to surrender. Do not forget the currently most evil man in the world, Osama bin Laden. Think of Mullah Muhammad Omar whose evil organisation, the Taliban kills women and children, and throws acid in the faces of young girls trying to go to school. They must be the most evil men besides the Nazis in human history. Praise of the Muslim Jihad lethal soldiers, from Heinrich Himmler (major architect of the Holocaust) is not exactly something to brag about.

Here is a small sample of Evil Verses of the Qur'an.

Surah 8 Al-Anfal 59: "The infidels should not think that they can bypass the law of God. Surely they cannot get away."

Surah 8 Al-Anfal 60: "Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster, that you may strike terror in (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your own and others besides them not known to you, but known to God."

Surah 8 Al-Anfal 65: "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; and if there are a hundred then they will vanquish a thousand unbelievers, for they are people devoid of understanding."

Surah 8 Al-Anfal 66: "God has lightened your burden as He knows you are weak: So if there are a hundred men of firm determination among you, they will vanquish two hundred; and if there are a thousand of you they will vanquish two thousand by the will of God, for God is with those who are determined."


The above is a clear threat to exterminate all non-Muslims. Unbelievers are condemned, and not all were given the choice to convert and live. Many were slaughtered outright. I am not letting Christians off the hook. But over the centuries Christianity has mellowed somewhat compared to the Dark Ages. Howver, Islam seems to be growing darker, more evil, violent, and homicidal. Talibanism damages the brain in a drastic way, making the followers indeed homicidal maniacs.

Muslims all over the world are threatening to destroy the liberal democracies and take away our freedom if not our very lives. Unfortunately, we cannot continue to be victims of Muslim atrocities. We must sooner or later, strike back and give the enemy a sense of the fear that they impose on us.

This is an Islamic War against the free nations and free people of the more enlightened West. They are serious about bringing on our demise and their terrorist acts have shown that. We must strike back in the only way to show the Extremist Muslim, there is a cost for their crimes. I suggest to the Defence Ministry and the US Defence Department that the best response to insane terrorists who murder innocent women and children...is to strike a major Muslim city in retribution to each terrorist act that kill our people. Our failure to fight back only encourages terrorism.

Amergin

 

[Amergin]

Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition and directed Himmler to initiate Muslim SS Divisions as a matter of policy. According to one confidant, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity.

Adolf Hitler's religious views - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

October 24, 1933, Hitler stated: "We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”

October 14, 1933 Hitler stated "For eight months we have been waging a heroic battle against the Communist threat to our Volk, the decomposition of our culture, the subversion of our art, and the poisoning of our public morality. We have put an end to denial of God and abuse of religion.

Hitler said, “National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.”

Amergin

 

[Amergin]

Pro-Nazi Iranian Shiite Dictator, Ahmadinajad, has even denied the truth of the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews.

Amergin

 

[Waleed]

He may have made it all up.

And he did. Its so interesting and tragic that 1 billion believe he did not and humanity has suffered for 1400 years and continues to do so daily in different ways.

 

[c0de]

What do you think of the famous Banu Qurayza incident in which Muhammad ordered the beheading of 900 men of the Banu Qurayza tribe?

Are you aware that punishment was suggested by a Jewish leader of their own tribe (the only one who honored the non-aggression pact with the Muslims)?

It is true that Muhammad himself did not lead the Arab hordes to conquer the empire from India to Spain. He killed many fellow Arabs who did not accept his hallucinations of receiving prophesy from an archangel. Those hallucinations were evil ideas. Perhaps Muhammad did not experience visions or hear voices. He may have made it all up. The Quran was written from his story. It contains the evil verses described by Salman Rushdie and which I have read.

It may be legitimate to say that persons (Muhammad, Omar, the Umayyads, or the Abassids, Alp Arslan, Osman, Orkan, and Timur) were not fully responsible. They were insanely extreme Muslims. They took the Qur'an literally and they are the ones who killed many millions of people who resisted their barbarian armies or refused to surrender. Do not forget the currently most evil man in the world, Osama bin Laden. Think of Mullah Muhammad Omar whose evil organisation, the Taliban kills women and children, and throws acid in the faces of young girls trying to go to school. They must be the most evil men besides the Nazis in human history. Praise of the Muslim Jihad lethal soldiers, from Heinrich Himmler (major architect of the Holocaust) is not exactly something to brag about.

Here is a small sample of Evil Verses of the Qur'an.

Surah 8 Al-Anfal 59: "The infidels should not think that they can bypass the law of God. Surely they cannot get away."

Surah 8 Al-Anfal 60: "Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster, that you may strike terror in (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your own and others besides them not known to you, but known to God."

Surah 8 Al-Anfal 65: "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; and if there are a hundred then they will vanquish a thousand unbelievers, for they are people devoid of understanding."

Surah 8 Al-Anfal 66: "God has lightened your burden as He knows you are weak: So if there are a hundred men of firm determination among you, they will vanquish two hundred; and if there are a thousand of you they will vanquish two thousand by the will of God, for God is with those who are determined."


The above is a clear threat to exterminate all non-Muslims. Unbelievers are condemned, and not all were given the choice to convert and live. Many were slaughtered outright. I am not letting Christians off the hook. But over the centuries Christianity has mellowed somewhat compared to the Dark Ages. Howver, Islam seems to be growing darker, more evil, violent, and homicidal. Talibanism damages the brain in a drastic way, making the followers indeed homicidal maniacs.

Muslims all over the world are threatening to destroy the liberal democracies and take away our freedom if not our very lives. Unfortunately, we cannot continue to be victims of Muslim atrocities. We must sooner or later, strike back and give the enemy a sense of the fear that they impose on us.

This is an Islamic War against the free nations and free people of the more enlightened West. They are serious about bringing on our demise and their terrorist acts have shown that. We must strike back in the only way to show the Extremist Muslim, there is a cost for their crimes. I suggest to the Defence Ministry and the US Defence Department that the best response to insane terrorists who murder innocent women and children...is to strike a major Muslim city in retribution to each terrorist act that kill our people. Our failure to fight back only encourages terrorism.

Amergin

.... a whole lotta potatoes, but no meat (as usual...) Everything you've stated has already been refuted on this very forum, many a time before.

The verses you've cited have been taken out of context. No one takes such an argument you just made seriously, other then anti-muslim bigots, and osama bin laden types. Having fun in their company?

Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition and directed Himmler to initiate Muslim SS Divisions as a matter of policy. According to one confidant, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity.

Adolf Hitler's religious views - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

October 24, 1933, Hitler stated: "We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”

October 14, 1933 Hitler stated "For eight months we have been waging a heroic battle against the Communist threat to our Volk, the decomposition of our culture, the subversion of our art, and the poisoning of our public morality. We have put an end to denial of God and abuse of religion.

Hitler said, “National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.”

Amergin

Wait... let me get this straight...so now this maniac's opinion is completely acceptable to you? Of course hitler was making a lot of sense... when he was talking about Islam?? that's your argument?

You really love double standards, don't you? Or are you saying that hitler was also right about Jews, Gypsies and everything else?

 

[Eclectic Mystic]

Atheism, Protestantism, Catholicism, Islam are all non-issues here. Hitler, Stalin and Mao were all politicians in countries which had no constitutions in tact and they manipulated whichever foundations and establishments happened to be present at the time.



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