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I love DB he is really awesome, whenever I consider spiritual stuff I first think of how he would explain it away. Sobering stuff. Though if I have a vision of a god and he says its all in my mind, then I am still left with what I can see as much as I am seeing him. The fact is that the brain...

If the gods ‘exist’ then how can god do so? …or what does that mean for monotheists? I can see although not agree with the argument, that the gods are in some way false or that they don’t exist for abrahamics, but if they do, how do you correlate them into you understanding of things? For...

Hi vaj Yes that’s what I am doing in my own way, the thread title didn’t put it right but there is only so much one can say in a single line, I kinda expect people to know where I am coming from ~ probably erroneously. Any thoughts on the absolute and nature of nirvana ~ the ‘place’ gladly...

bananabrain Wisdom. :) I wont stop searching though, I think by questioning the shape of reality [infinity, the absolute, omni-X] we can get closer, but I agree we are never going to get more than close. The simply act of gathering info into the conscious sphere [and its subsequent...

bhaktajan On the reality map it is not absolute, because the universe exists too, you cant just ignore existence. Nirvana would have to be all there is in reality for it to be absolute, otherwise it is limited and we have other things within the ‘whole‘. There isn’t nothing ‘here’ though...

I cannot. :) Weather or not there are areas of uncertainty [ a good ideal Imho], belief needs a basis or its just vacuous. If we can ascertain certain areas philosophically or scientifically, then we should do so, it doesn’t do to just give up or ignore good arguments.

So you are saying that dimensions are pre-existent ~ fair enough, infinity is also its own dimension, this is why I asked about the space in which the absolute is. For me the meaning of ‘absolute’ contradicts ‘omni’, so how do you have a deity that is both.

The poetic reality is such because ‘every landscape has its own vocabulary’ [one of my sayings :)], nothing has an absolute edge and when we attempt to define something to absoluteness, we find the idea merges with others or flips onto another level of understanding. I find this is also...

Is universal, all consciousnesses derive of the oneness ~ ever watched the silver spirits form out of the void in their millions! It’s a number and hence metaphoric. If it were absolute then it could be named. The whole idea of this meaning is that the tao cannot be pinned down in any way...

Opinions are but not everything is purely opinion or relative. If we did arrive at the conclusion that it is [even math etc?] then everything we think about god is also. The point is that if you are going to argue points about god the absolute, then another argument refutes it, then that...

China Cat Sunflower Just as interesting is the ‘knower’; what is it that knows. :) It seams to me that knowing is an act of gathering information into the conscious sphere, where the intellect can deduce meaning. What happens when the knower ceases trying to gather info into that sphere...

bhaktajan Thanks for the answer, I think we are getting nearer… at least now we are attempting to define the reality map. A circle in unlimited? As the soul is the same in life or death, the cycles are only apparent according to the vehicle used. Besides rebirth etc is not a personality...

Well that is exactly how you come across to me and I think I am saying the opposite. Name anything about ‘person’ or personality that is unlimited!_? You see there are no things. So you cannot say infinity is god as a person. Throughout your posts you fail to describe the space of the...

bhaktajan Both. I mean that the absolute cannot be universal, the two terms are contradictory. If god has an infinite base and we do too, then this is not the case. So again we have to define our basis so as to ascertain as to which perspective is truer. There no ‘if’ about...

immortalitylost Good point! I can understand the similarity of our individuality, however we exist in a finite space, god exists in a oneness. The difference is that everything else exists in that oneness, so god would be within all things, the universe his body and we [and all life] his/her...

As a druid I believe; you can touch this eternity and know everything because eternity touches everything so knows it on the most intimate level. The experience of this is the ultimate goal, from there on we are no longer immersed in ignorance. Only then are we truly what we are, hence as it is...

I don’t understand how that answers any of my points, it is one thing to say god is a person, we define ourselves as such also, but we are human beings too, we have dimension and being all existing in a space. So what is absolute about god apart from being a person, and is that an infinite person?

bhaktajan Ok so what are we describing as absolute? This is why I used the example of the sheet of paper, then the non-absolute and transient are upon the sheet of paper but are not it specifically. So now we have to define what the sheet of paper is? [not the transient things upon it] If...

It depends on what you mean by ‘absolute’, I chose the term ‘oneness’ for good reason as it touches everything. Something that is infinite universal and omniscient etc, must touch everything!_? Imagine ‘god’ is a sheet of paper, anything you draw upon it he intimately knows and touches no matter...

Vaj No I am just seeking meaning to it all as ever, the only way I can do this is by contrasting one idea with another. Hence I am looking at the fundamental nature of reality in different lights ~ not meaning to change minds or cause a riot lols. This is why I look at that fundamental...